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| Crack a Password, Save Norwegian History |
Posted by
chrisd
on Wednesday June 05, @03:00AM
from the did-they-try-god-or-sex-yet dept. Christian writes "With the death of the only person who knew the password to an archive held at a museum in Norway, suddenly the data became inaccessible. The result? A nationwide radio appeal asking for "hackers" to volunteer to help solve the problem! The
Norway Post has the story." I wonder if they looked under his keyboard yet..
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What i want to know is.. (Score:1, Interesting)
by Xuranova (Xuranova@validthreat.com) on Wednesday June 05, @03:02AM (#3643688)
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Does my name get to be a part of history for single handly saving it?
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I wonder.... (Score:1, Redundant)
by Edward Teach (nospam58@pacbell.net) on Wednesday June 05, @03:05AM (#3643697)
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what is Norweigan for "password".
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Love all round... (Score:1, Funny)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 05, @03:06AM (#3643703)
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Mesenger: John is Dead! Meseum: (in sync) Ahhh, he was a lovely fellow, never bothered a soul... wonderful guy... absolutely great... Mesenger 2: He was the only one who knew the password to the history archive! Mesuem: That F&%cker! How dare he die... mother f%#cking asshole! Messenger 2: Hey... don't kill the messenger!
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its sad... (Score:1, Insightful)
by cliffom (cliffom@[TAKETHISCRAPOUT]cliffom.net) on Wednesday June 05, @03:06AM (#3643704)
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when an entire archive is maintained by one mortal person. I wonder how many other times cases like these have come to surface. Sure, they may be on a much smaller scale, but something is to be said about archives of data maintained by one person, or one person having the only password to access these archives. But I guess we all know about too many cooks in the kitchen...
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Slashdoted Text (Score:5, Informative)
by Technician on Wednesday June 05, @03:07AM (#3643709)
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5. Juni 2002
Hackers respond to password challenge
Hackers have responded in large numbers to an appeal from the director of a culture center and literary museum on the west coast of Norway.
The password to one of their library archive systems is missing.
The museum built in honour of the famous Norwegian linguist Ivar Aasen received a gift of more than 1600 books and documents which had been catalogued and registered in a national data bank, which researchers and interested people may access.
Only trouble was that the expert who had helped the donor with the archiving work had died, and had failed to pass on the password.
In order to get access to the data base, Director Ottar Grepstad appealed on nationwide radio for help to solve the problem. The response was above expectations, and the director is now busy chosing the expert most likely to solve the problem.
(NRK)
(this loaded very slow, but I got it.)
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And in other news.... (Score:4, Funny)
by Ooblek on Wednesday June 05, @09:43AM (#3644430)
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Days ago, Ottar Grepstad, director of the culture center and literary museum on the west coast of Norway, was busy selecting his expert of choice to hack a password known only by a dead man. It has been revealed that only minutes after his public appeal for a skiller hax0r to recover this password, his archive was ow3nd by Kevin Mitnick. The notorious hacker released information found in the archive that seems to indicate that Britney Spears was concieved by using frozen sperm from non other than Mike Tyson himself. The egg donor was only referred to in the archive as "Camilla" and it is suspected she is the same woman that Prince Charles is dating.
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Hackers or script kiddies? (Score:1, Redundant)
by _bobs.pizza_ on Wednesday June 05, @03:08AM (#3643712)
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is the call for hackers to find a way to circumvent the login system to retrieve the data, or do they want the password 'recovered' by using a dictionary attack, or another brute-force method?
Though, at this point, they probably aren't too particular.
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I've got the password! (Score:1, Redundant)
by Teknogeek (technogeek83@@@attbi...com) on Wednesday June 05, @03:09AM (#3643713)
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The name of his dog!
What? He didn't have a dog?
Oh, well.
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Don't worry, I've already cracked it (Score:4, Funny)
by Henry V .009 on Wednesday June 05, @03:09AM (#3643716)
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I've already cracked it. Got the archives open right here. Let's see:
In the year 1005, the 1337 v1k0rs raided the English coast for raping and pillaging...
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If I were to pass (Score:2, Insightful)
by Necro Spork on Wednesday June 05, @03:11AM (#3643723)
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I have been thinking about this for a while. If I died suddenly, from the view of the online community, I would just disappear. No one would know to contact them. Most people would forget, or never notice, but some should really be contacted. Now I'm thinking I should make a list and put it on my hard drive to be found, (right next to the prOn) and have instructions on who needs informing.
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What's needed is a "dead man's 'bot" (Score:5, Interesting)
by Raetsel on Wednesday June 05, @07:29AM (#3643863)
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A simple program... something to send that important email, decrypt the data that you honestly don't have to safeguard anymore, etc. A program to take action when you haven't proven (password | biometric | whatever...) your continued existance on a pre-arranged schedule.
And wouldn't you know it, one exists!
I caught this discussion [infopop.net] at Ars Technica last month. It refers to a cool-sounding program called "Dead Man's Switch (DMS)", which caught the attention of the New York Times. [nytimes.com]
Just a few issues...
- Don't go on vacation for a longer period of time than you have the 'bot set for
(see either link, "If you're reading this, I'm dead!" type goofs have happened!)
- What happens when you actually do pass on to the great unknown, don't manage to pay your bills, and your (ISP | power company | shell host) kills your service?
- Or, more simply, what if your next of kin just tag the 'ol power switch?
Oh well... no person (or thing!) is perfect. Norway is keenly aware of this right now.
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As a Swede, all I can say is... (Score:5, Funny)
by weird mehgny on Wednesday June 05, @05:09AM (#3643724)
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...this only happens in Norway :)
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Slashdot down! (Score:1)
by ObviousGuy (ObviousGuy@hotmail.com) on Wednesday June 05, @05:12AM (#3643726)
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Did Cowboy Neil die and take all the passwords with him?
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10 to 1 its a fish or norweigian porn star (Score:1)
by linzeal (koat@nOSPAM.rhizome.org) on Wednesday June 05, @05:13AM (#3643727)
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What if they discover the password to their vaunted history is protected by "KiraKenerl0vesmywingwang?"
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It's probably just ... (Score:1)
by kentheman (KSarmaat.uno@nl) on Wednesday June 05, @05:15AM (#3643735)
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trustno1
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And there the server was slashdotted... (Score:1)
by pucko ((wpt2097) (at) (hotmail.com)) on Wednesday June 05, @05:15AM (#3643736)
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Anyone have a mirror to the article?
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NSA to the rescue (Score:1)
by andhar on Wednesday June 05, @06:43AM (#3643753)
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Well, you know darn well the NSA can't tell them right away.
They know, but it'll be classified for another 50 years.
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this dosn't make sense. (Score:1, Offtopic)
by DanThe1Man on Wednesday June 05, @06:47AM (#3643760)
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Crack a password, save history. Get a cable modem, go to jail. [slashdot.org].
What kind of crazy backwards world are we living in?
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Re:this dosn't make sense. (Score:5, Funny)
by hyoo on Wednesday June 05, @07:36AM (#3643880)
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Crack a password, save history. Get a cable modem, go to jail. [slashdot.org].
What kind of crazy backwards world are we living in?
Ladies and Gentlemen of slashdot it does not make sense. If Chewbacca lives on Endor you must acquit.
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Slashdotted alread... Google cache (Score:1)
by YellowSubRoutine on Wednesday June 05, @06:50AM (#3643770)
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http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:http://www.no rwaypost.com/content.asp?folder_id=1&cluster_id=19 820 Damn, I can't even figure out how to post a link... anyone care to enlighten?
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so.. how are we supposed to store passwords? (Score:5, Interesting)
by dikappa (dikappa@@@exea...it) on Wednesday June 05, @06:52AM (#3643776)
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This is an interesting issue.
Any -minimally skilled- IT operator knows he should never tell passes to other people.
But, what if this person dies?
How can we safely store passwords so that those can be retrieved if "shit happens"?
Probably we cannot use encription (you need a pass to decrypt stuff), so what?
Probably for most of us, a piece of paper in a safe place at home is enough, hackers *usually* do not break-in to get passwords.
But I guess there is people around protecting *really* important data, and they do not trust anyone... what can they do to make passwords "undiscoverable" until "death" or sudden amnesy?
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- Re:so.. how are we supposed to store passwords? by Ted Maul (Score:2) Wednesday June 05, @07:20AM
- Re:so.. how are we supposed to store passwords? by bryan1945 (Score:2) Wednesday June 05, @07:28AM
- How about using PGP? by bastion_xx (Score:1) Wednesday June 05, @08:22AM
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Re:so.. how are we supposed to store passwords? (Score:5, Interesting)
by dangermouse (logan@slackware.com) on Wednesday June 05, @10:57AM (#3644938)
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You do change them, right?
Hell no.
That is the single most hare-brained bit of common security "wisdom" in the world.
Years ago, I picked a password that's random as hell and was very difficult to remember. No password cracker-- dictionary *or* brute force-- has broken it yet. I use this password on about ten systems.
If I changed those passwords on a regular basis, I'd have to come up with something easier to remember to make up for the decreased learning time. That would likely make my password less secure.
I keep running into admins who-- by hook or by crook-- make their users change passwords periodically. The result? Passwords on Post-It notes; passwords that are the names of pets or wives or firstborn children; sets of passwords that are absurdly simple and that get cycled through.
If they had just let the users keep their original passwords and run a cracker against the shadow file to turn up the overly simple ones, their systems would be a lot more secure. But somebody told them changing passwords frequently was a good idea, and by god their users are going to change passwords frequently.
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- Re:so.. how are we supposed to store passwords? by PCM2 (Score:2) Wednesday June 05, @02:27PM
- HAHAHAHAH no brute force? by scosol (Score:1) Wednesday June 05, @06:06PM
- Re:so.. how are we supposed to store passwords? by fleeb_fantastique (Score:2) Wednesday June 05, @08:17PM
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- Give them to the CEO, CTO, etc.... by Gorbie (Score:2) Wednesday June 05, @09:03AM
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Re:so.. how are we supposed to store passwords? (Score:5, Informative)
by cowbutt on Wednesday June 05, @09:56AM (#3644499)
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Any -minimally skilled- IT operator knows he should never tell passes to other people. But, what if this person dies? How can we safely store passwords so that those can be retrieved if "shit happens"?
Google for "secret sharing" [google.com] and you'll find plenty of references. Essentially, the secret (i.e. the password) is converted into a value that intercepts an axis of a n-dimensional graph. m points in n-dimensional space are then generated such that they lie in a straight line on a single plane. You can then distribute the values of the m points safe in the knowledge that you need at least n of them in order to calculate the point of interception of the secret.
AFAIK, this is how things like launch codes for nukes are stored and distributed (to counter the twin threats of elimination of keyholders preventing nukes from being launched, and to prevent a single rogue keyholder launching without appropriate authorisation).
Apologies to the maths/crypto purists out there if my description is fuzzy, over-simplified, or plain wrong, but it's been a while... ;-)
Better explanations can be found on RSA's site [rsasecurity.com] and in Ross Anderson's book "Security Engineering" [google.com]
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Re:so.. how are we supposed to store passwords? (Score:5, Informative)
by edp on Wednesday June 05, @11:48AM (#3645361)
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Er, I'm not sure what you're getting at. For example, any set of points (in a space of more than two dimensions) that "lie in a straight line" are necessarily also in a plane and are in fact in infinitely many planes.
Shamir's secret sharing is easy to describe: Any polynomial of degree k-1 can be completely figured out from k points on it but not from k-1 points. So to share a secret among any number of people so that any k of them can figure out the secret and any k-1 of them cannot, you make up a polynomial whose value at x=0 is the secret and you tell each person the value of the polynomial at other points (at x=1, x=2,...).
For example, any 2 points define a line (a polynomial of degree 1). If you tell me where the line is at x=1 and x=2, I can figure out where the line is at x=0. But if you only tell me where the line is at x=1, I haven't got a clue where it is at x=0, because it could still be anywhere. If you gave a million people different values for x=1, x=2,... x=1000000, no one of them would know the value of the line at x=0, but any two of them could figure it out.
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Re:so.. how are we supposed to store passwords? (Score:5, Interesting)
by Gleef on Wednesday June 05, @10:01AM (#3644541)
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Here's a common policy in more than one company I've dealt with has:
* Have a safe, where the president and at least one (but not too many) other executive has the combination for * Keep a signed and sealed envelope in the safe containing critical system password(s) * Make sure the executive(s) know that, in case of emergency, give the envelope to your successor * When you change passwords, update the envelope
This way, while the executives have the ability to compromise the system, they can't do so without breaking the seal or losing the envelope, so you know it was someone with access to the safe.
But I guess there is people around protecting *really* important data, and they do not trust anyone...
In most companies, you *have* to trust the president (even if you really don't trust the president), since he has the authority to do pretty much whatever he wants, whether or not he knows how to.
In those cases where you don't do the above, doing something similar with a safety deposit box, an offsite account, or having a lawyer hold the envelope as if it were in escrow could also work.
If you want to be ultra-secure: two safety deposit boxes in two separate banks, one containing the encrypted password, the other containing the key to decrypt it. Keep the deposit box keys in a personal safe with the directions. Give nobody else the safe combination (if you die, they can pay a locksmith to break it). Ideally, find banks that will do a full audit trail on anyone (you included) accessing the box: have them log time and identification, photograph the person, and notify your office that the box was accessed.
To step up the security another notch or two: make sure the two banks above are at least an hour away from each other. Keep the two keys in a safety deposit box in a third bank (at least an hour from the other two). Have all three banks log the request for entry and immediately notify both your office and a pager you carry personally, and then require the person wait for 24 hours before they grant access, so you have three warnings and 48 hours lead time if someone is trying to gain entry via the stored secret.
The more security you have, the more annoying it is. You can go beyond the above, but if it's that secret it might be safest to have the secret die with you.
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From Norway? we know what the password is :) (Score:2)
by phunhippy (phunhippy@evoluti ... om ['dea' in gap]) on Wednesday June 05, @06:53AM (#3643779)
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The poor guy probably froze to death, try these passwords:
damnitscolduphere amnitsreallycolduphere
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Password Selection Rules (Score:3, Funny)
by darkcookie on Wednesday June 05, @06:53AM (#3643781)
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No problem if the guy has observed the well-known password selection rules
Query Google for "Password Selection Rules 88-570471" [google.de]
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Re:Password Selection Rules (Score:5, Informative)
by kilogram on Wednesday June 05, @07:29AM (#3643861)
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If this place is somewhat like the rest of Norway, and their password policy alike, cracking the password shouldn't be a problem. It seems that Norwegians are probably the worst at selecting passwords, and if capitalization differences and numeric characters are enforced, most people use TheirLogOnName1, or something very similar. A dictionary attack would be most useful in these cases.
Anyhow, I haven't looked at this specific case, and so it has to come down to the password protection in the database used (DBase 4), which I am not familiar with.
Just a bit of background history: In Norway we have two written languages; nynorsk and bokmaal. The site that's lost their password, fronts the usage of nynorsk, which is a clear minority language. Most people in Norway speak dialects which mostly resembles the written nynorsk, although most write bokmaal.
The lost database contains "16 000 books in nynorsk", but some news sites seem to have gotten this number wrong (namely "1600", dagbladet.no).
To those asking for a translation, I can mention that they (aasentunet.no), have gotten about 20 e-mails and 5-6 phone calls, since it was mentioned on national radio. They've even been contacted by parapsychologists, who wants to crack the password using supernatural powers! :)
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Cracker surely! (Score:1)
by jocks on Wednesday June 05, @06:53AM (#3643783)
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I thought we had all agreed that "crackers" broke into things and "hackers" put things together? Regardless, it is nice to see the brains of these guys being used for ultimate good rather than for vanity.
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Problem solved? (Score:2, Informative)
by dr. greenthumb on Wednesday June 05, @07:04AM (#3643789)
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I'll just mail them this link [passwordbusters.com].
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| - Problem solved! by SEWilco (Score:2) Wednesday June 05, @09:35AM
Re:Problem solved? (Score:5, Informative)
by Syre on Wednesday June 05, @10:32AM (#3644741)
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he really does have the solution for them:
http://www.passwordbusters.com/profile_dbase.htm
dBase
Versions: All known
Recovery time: 1 day
Success Rate: 100%
Price: $29
What we need from you: Your dBase file sent via email.
What we will give you: Your dBase file's missing password.
Notes: dBase features a relatively insecure password protection algorithm.
How we recover the file: We find the password information within your file and compare known permanent data against encrypted data in the password to decrypt the text of the missing password.
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| - Re:Problem solved? by quantaman (Score:2) Wednesday June 05, @07:14PM
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Hasn't anyone... (Score:1)
by aetherspoon on Wednesday June 05, @07:12AM (#3643800)
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... just used a random password generator at the machine? I mean, it isn't hard when you own the machine...
*smacks Slashdot being down*
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web site of the museum (Score:5, Informative)
by valentyn on Wednesday June 05, @07:13AM (#3643802)
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The web site of this museum seems to be www.aasentunet.no [aasentunet.no] and if I'm not mistaken, it has two news items about the password problem:
Populaert dataproblem [prodat.no] and
Bokmålsbrukarar vil finne passord [prodat.no].
The latter has a few links to on-line news as well:
- NRK [www.nrk.no]
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Dagbladet [dagbladet.no] (headline: "Alle vil hacke for Ivan Aasen" :)
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TV2 [tv2.no]
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digi.no [www.digi.no]
Unfortunately, that's all in Norsk. (Any volunteers for translating?)
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