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by Stirling Bartholomew
November 2nd, 2020, 1:14 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Genitive Absolute without Subject
Replies: 8
Views: 281

Re: Genitive Absolute without Subject

Acts 21:8 τῇ δὲ ἐπαύριον ἐξελθόντες ἤλθομεν εἰς Καισάρειαν καὶ εἰσελθόντες εἰς τὸν οἶκον Φιλίππου τοῦ εὐαγγελιστοῦ, ὄντος ἐκ τῶν ἑπτά, ἐμείναμεν παρ᾿ αὐτῷ. 9 τούτῳ δὲ ἦσαν θυγατέρες τέσσαρες παρθένοι προφητεύουσαι. 10 Ἐπιμενόντων δὲ ἡμέρας πλείους κατῆλθέν τις ἀπὸ τῆς Ἰουδαίας προφήτης ὀνόματι Ἅγαβο...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 1st, 2020, 12:27 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Genitive Absolute without Subject
Replies: 8
Views: 281

Re: Genitive Absolute without Subject

Luke 2:41 Καὶ ἐπορεύοντο οἱ γονεῖς αὐτοῦ κατ᾿ ἔτος εἰς Ἰερουσαλὴμ τῇ ἑορτῇ τοῦ πάσχα. 42 Καὶ ὅτε ἐγένετο ἐτῶν δώδεκα, ἀναβαινόντων αὐτῶν κατὰ τὸ ἔθος τῆς ἑορτῆς 43 καὶ τελειωσάντων τὰς ἡμέρας , ἐν τῷ ὑποστρέφειν αὐτοὺς ὑπέμεινεν Ἰησοῦς ὁ παῖς ἐν Ἰερουσαλήμ, καὶ οὐκ ἔγνωσαν οἱ γονεῖς αὐτοῦ. 44 νομίσα...
by Stirling Bartholomew
October 30th, 2020, 5:16 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Romans 13.1-7 & Civil Authority Question
Replies: 5
Views: 221

Re: Romans 13.1-7 & Civil Authority Question

Yes, do try to keep it to the Greek... :) Note the vocabulary, and compare it with the actual language used to describe the leadership in the church, such as in 2 Tim 3. Not even remotely the same. I don't see anything in 2Tim 3 relevant to Romans 13.1-7. 1Tim 3 talks about leaders ... 1Tim 3:4 τοῦ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
October 25th, 2020, 12:56 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Meta Language
Replies: 23
Views: 1145

Re: Meta Language

Why should I not be interested in this. I was asking this question long before you were on the forum. What benefit does a student who wants to read Koine attain from becoming an expert in grammatical tagging? If your objective is to talk about secondary exegetical literature then then there is plen...
by Stirling Bartholomew
October 24th, 2020, 3:59 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Meta Language
Replies: 23
Views: 1145

Re: Meta Language

§49 ὁ δὲ θεὸς ἥττονα γυναικείας συμβουλίας αὐτὸν γενόμενον ὑπετίθει τιμωρίᾳ, τὴν γῆν οὐκέτι μὲν οὐδὲν αὐτοῖς ἀναδώσειν αὐτομάτως εἰπών, πονοῦσι δὲ καὶ τοῖς ἔργοις τριβομένοις τὰ μὲν παρέξειν, τῶν δ ̓ οὐκ ἀξιώσειν. Εὔαν δὲ τοκετοῖς καὶ ταῖς ἐξ ὠδίνων ἀλγηδόσιν ἐκόλαζεν, ὅτι τὸν Ἄδαμον οἷς αὐτὴν ὁ ὄφ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
October 13th, 2020, 1:48 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Meta Language
Replies: 23
Views: 1145

Meta Language

From: Yancy Smith <yancywsmith at sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] translation strategies To: "'B Greek'" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org> Date: Thursday, June 25, 2009, 7:20 AM I want to add two pence to this discussion from the far left field. My Greek teacher, Mr. Robert Johnston of Abilene C...
by Stirling Bartholomew
October 11th, 2020, 1:28 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental
Replies: 24
Views: 1574

Re: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental

Can you clarify on that? Idiomatic perhaps, but truly private? You need to familiarize yourself with secondary literature on the language of the Apocalypse. I don't have a bibliography on hand. It has been argued that the idioms of Apocalypse form a coherent system but it isn't a system found anywh...
by Stirling Bartholomew
October 11th, 2020, 1:16 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental
Replies: 24
Views: 1574

Re: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental

Which doesn’t answer my question in the original post :D Namely whether this usage in 12:11 and 13:14 is found in other texts in Koine / classical. And to be fair, with regards to the meta language - surely it is important to understand in what sense BDF / BDAG are using their terminology? Your loo...
by Stirling Bartholomew
October 11th, 2020, 1:05 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental
Replies: 24
Views: 1574

Re: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental

Matthew Longhorn wrote:
October 11th, 2020, 12:58 pm
It can if you are taking the death language as a metaphor ...
It isn't a metaphor. You can forget about that. You need to provide the content from your author if you want any meaningful refutation.
by Stirling Bartholomew
October 11th, 2020, 12:53 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental
Replies: 24
Views: 1574

Re: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental

Hey Stirling, I am not sure that that deals with the question. I would assume that Winters would also argue this verse is the same as 6:9, 12:11 and 13:14 The question is whether efficient cause / instrumental (I am not sure of the difference) would apply here indicating that the martyrs are slain ...

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