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by Stirling Bartholomew
January 18th, 2020, 3:38 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 55
Views: 17421

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

The form of ποιήσωμεν Gen 1:26 is employed by Athanasius in this sample of grammatical exegesis . § 46.4 ἀφ' ὧν καὶ ἡμᾶς πείθει λέγουσα· Αὐτὸς εἶπε, καὶ ἐγενήθησαν· αὐτὸς ἐνετείλατο, καὶ ἐκτίσθησαν· καθὼς καὶ ὁ πάντα μέγας Μωϋσῆς ἐν ἀρχῇ τῆς κοσμοποιίας βεβαιοῖ τὸ λεγόμενον ἐξηγούμενος καὶ λέγων· Κα...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 13th, 2020, 3:12 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 55
Views: 17421

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

πάντα μέγας in reference to Moses appears in Philo, Didymus the Blind and Athanasius. All three from Alexandria. Contra Gentes: § 46.4 ἀφ' ὧν καὶ ἡμᾶς πείθει λέγουσα· Αὐτὸς εἶπε, καὶ ἐγενήθησαν· αὐτὸς ἐνετείλατο, καὶ ἐκτίσθησαν· καθὼς καὶ ὁ πάντα μέγας Μωϋσῆς ἐν ἀρχῇ τῆς κοσμοποιίας βεβαιοῖ τὸ λεγό...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 10th, 2020, 3:52 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 55
Views: 17421

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

... because a teaching cannot be the one to "abolish the godlessness etc" ... Peng, I understand an share your reservations. Here is a third example from the same context where Athanasius appears to make θεοπνεύστου γραφῆς , which is coreferential with ἡ ἔνθεος διδασκαλία , function as an agent or ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 9th, 2020, 1:00 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 55
Views: 17421

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

The attributive position can be filled with arbitrarily long and complex phrases. God/Word (focus of entire §45) is the subject of ἀνελών, because a teaching cannot be the one to "abolish the godlessness etc", and as you've noted, the case mismatch is a strong clue as well. Thus imho Newman transla...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 8th, 2020, 1:20 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 55
Views: 17421

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

§ 46.1 Ἆρ' οὖν, ἀνελὼν τὴν τῶν ἐθνῶν ἢ εἰδώλων ἀθεότητα , σεσιώπηκεν ἡ ἔνθεος διδασκαλία καὶ ἁπλῶς ἀφῆκε τὸ τῶν ἀνθρώπων γένος ἄμοιρον τῆς τοῦ Θείου γνώσεως φέρεσθαι; οὐχί γε, ἀλλὰ καὶ προαπαντᾷ τῇ διανοίᾳ λέγουσα· Ἄκουε, Ἰσραήλ, Κύριος ὁ Θεός σου, Κύριος εἷς ἐστι· καὶ πάλιν· Ἀγαπήσεις Κύριον τὸν Θ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 2nd, 2020, 4:43 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 55
Views: 17421

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

I would be interested in finding out what the value of "packaging" here is in better understanding the text. As it is, based on your description (and remembering that I have never so much as heard of it before this) it doesn't really seem to fit. RE: information structure Discourse 'grammars' have ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 2nd, 2020, 2:06 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 55
Views: 17421

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

§ 44.1 Νεύματι γὰρ καὶ ταῖς δυνάμεσι τοῦ ἐπιστατοῦντος καὶ ἡγεμονεύοντος τῶν πάντων θείου καὶ πατρικοῦ Λόγου, οὐρανὸς μὲν περιστρέφεται ... Νεύματι ... καὶ ταῖς δυνάμεσι qualifies οὐρανὸς ... περιστρέφεται and what follows. Νεύματι ... καὶ ταῖς δυνάμεσι is qualified by τοῦ and what follows. My ques...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 1st, 2020, 3:46 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 55
Views: 17421

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

§ 44.1 Νεύματι γὰρ καὶ ταῖς δυνάμεσι τοῦ ἐπιστατοῦντος καὶ ἡγεμονεύοντος τῶν πάντων θείου καὶ πατρικοῦ Λόγου, οὐρανὸς μὲν περιστρέφεται ... Νεύματι ... καὶ ταῖς δυνάμεσι qualifies οὐρανὸς ... περιστρέφεται and what follows. Νεύματι ... καὶ ταῖς δυνάμεσι is qualified by τοῦ and what follows. My quest...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 31st, 2019, 6:28 pm
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: The term "grammar-translation method"
Replies: 8
Views: 284

Re: The term "grammar-translation method"

The term "grammar-translation method" has been used often in this forum. ... snip ... Whoever started to use the term here, apparently knew it from somewhere else. I think of "grammar-translation" as referring to the whole system of NT exegesis used at the seminaries I was familiar with in the four...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 27th, 2019, 10:08 pm
Forum: Grammars
Topic: Siebenthal - Ancient Greek Grammar
Replies: 18
Views: 1685

Re: Siebenthal - Ancient Greek Grammar

Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
December 27th, 2019, 7:42 pm

At the same time I ordered The CGCG.

It's nice to have a Christmas :)
I ordered CGCG from InterLibLoan. Not into buying books. Still got some left but most have been given away.

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