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by Stirling Bartholomew
January 15th, 2019, 6:54 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἔξω an adverb (more or less)
Replies: 2
Views: 92

Re: ἔξω an adverb (more or less)

Mike, For some reason I have a hard time following this notion of development in relation to English . Pulled A.T. Robertson off the self and read his historical discussion starting on page 553. Clears up some confusion (once again) in my thinking. Robertson's treatment needs to be brought into the ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 15th, 2019, 3:49 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Translating Origen's harder section
Replies: 3
Views: 86

Re: Translating Origen's harder section

Φαμὲν τὸ μικρότερον περὶ αὐτοῦ λέγειν τοῦ Χριστοῦ·

περὶ isn't post-positive. We know this because of the accent. So try translating as if τὸ μικρότερον is the object of Φαμὲν and περὶ αὐτοῦ λέγειν τοῦ Χριστοῦ is hyperbaton, with the verb λέγειν interrupting the prepositional phrase.
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 13th, 2019, 5:28 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἔξω an adverb (more or less)
Replies: 2
Views: 92

ἔξω an adverb (more or less)

The traditional metalanguage calls ἔξω an " improper preposition " which is explained as a group of adverbs which can be associated with (take a) oblique case substantive but cannot be affixed to the front of a verb. There's more to the story than that. Prepositions behave differently than adverbs. ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 11th, 2019, 2:47 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verb inside prep phrase: Acts 1:5
Replies: 5
Views: 191

Re: Verb inside prep phrase: Acts 1:5

Here is another example where the verb comes after the substantive τὴν συναγωγὴν followed by a modifier τῶν Ἰουδαίων.

Robinson-Pierpont 2005 Acts 17:10b:
οἵτινες παραγενόμενοι εἰς τὴν συναγωγὴν ἀπῄεσαν τῶν Ἰουδαίων.
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 10th, 2019, 7:20 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verb inside prep phrase: Acts 1:5
Replies: 5
Views: 191

Re: Verb inside prep phrase: Acts 1:5

It happens outside of Koine. In Acts 1:5 the preposition isn't detached from its substantive πνεύματι. 2Clem. 7:4 εἰδέναι [12] ἡμᾶς δεῖ, ὅτι ὁ τὸν φθαρτὸν ἀγῶνα ἀγωνιζόμενος, ἐὰν εὑρεθῇ φθείρων, μαστιγωθεὶς αἴρεται καὶ ἔξω βάλλεται τοῦ σταδίου . 2Clem. 7:4 We must realize that if one who competes in...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 10th, 2019, 1:50 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Gramatical Exegesis: Oecumenius Commentary on the Apocalypse
Replies: 1
Views: 72

Re: Gramatical Exegesis: Oecumenius Commentary on the Apocalypse

More of the same: Oecumenius Commentary on the Apocalypse Ch 6:11:7-8 (English J. N. Suggit p.102) οὗτοί φησίν εἰσιν αἱ δύο ἐλαῖαι καὶ αἱ δύο λυχνίαι αἱ ἐνώπιον τοῦ Κυρίου ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς ἑστῶσαι. Ζαχαρίας ὁ θεσπέσιος προφήτης εἶδε λυχνίαν, ἑπτὰ λύχνους ὑπερείδουσαν, καὶ δύο κλάδους ἐλαιῶν, ἀλλὰ τοὺς κλ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 9th, 2019, 4:34 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Gramatical Exegesis: Oecumenius Commentary on the Apocalypse
Replies: 1
Views: 72

Gramatical Exegesis: Oecumenius Commentary on the Apocalypse

Encountered an example of Gramatical Exegesis while reading Oecumenius. Oecumenius Commentary on the Apocalypse Ch 6:9 (english J. N. Suggit p.97) καὶ ὅτε φησὶν ἔκραξεν, ἐλάλησαν αἱ ἑπτὰ βρονταὶ τὰς ἑαυτῶν φωνάς. ἑπτὰ λέγει βροντᾶς τὰ ἑπτὰ λειτουργικὰ πνεύματα ὧν ἐν τοῖς ἔμπροσθεν μνήμην πεποίηται, ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 9th, 2019, 2:24 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 2 questions on Eph 3:14-19
Replies: 7
Views: 247

Re: 2 questions on Eph 3:14-19

This calls for a macro level analysis: From W. J. Larkin Baylor Handbook 2009 Paul appears to be introducing a prayer report in 3:1, but digresses into giving two grounds (3:2-7, 8-13) for his opening declaration of his status (note Τούτου χάριν is picked up again at 3:14). Probing such disruptions ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 9th, 2019, 1:33 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 2 questions on Eph 3:14-19
Replies: 7
Views: 247

Re: 2 questions on Eph 3:14-19

I’d agree that τούτου χάριν refers back not forward; but there seems a good case for taking the reference to be not to verse 1, but to verse 13 (διὸ αἰτοῦμαι μὴ ἐνκακεῖν ἐν ταῖς θλίψεσίν μου ὑπὲρ ὑμῶν, ἥτις ἐστὶν δόξα ὑμῶν). The prayer in verse 14 would then follow on directly from the Paul’s hope ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 8th, 2019, 4:39 pm
Forum: Teaching and Learning Greek
Topic: "I just don't think it makes you a better exegete ... " Theology, exegesis, and Learning Koine Greek Communicatively
Replies: 16
Views: 515

Re: "I just don't think it makes you a better exegete ... " Theology, exegesis, and Learning Koine Greek Communicatively

Why is it that the SLA people still participate in exegetical discussion? Deep irony seeing the 2 questions on Eph 3:14-19 https://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4660 . This is just a 21st century version of the exegesis that was being panned yesterday and the day before. I am not ...