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by Stirling Bartholomew
January 19th, 2019, 2:26 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Intro - reading the 1st to mid-2nd c. writings on Christianity
Replies: 7
Views: 209

Re: Intro - reading the 1st to mid-2nd c. writings on Christianity

Is there another forum that you think might be good for it, like a Messianic Christian forum, since 4 Esdras has an OT theme? Hal, For a long time I have been looking for a forum where theological and historical questions, hermenutics, exegesis and language issues could all be discussed and have no...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 19th, 2019, 11:34 am
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Translating Origen's harder section
Replies: 6
Views: 193

Re: Translating Origen's harder section

Φαμὲν τὸ μικρότερον περὶ αὐτοῦ λέγειν τοῦ Χριστοῦ · We say ‘the least’ is speaking of him (who is) of Christ. You might try reading αὐτοῦ as reflexive and the infinitive as final: Origene Contra Celsum 8.42 line 43 ὡς καὶ αὐτὸς ἐδίδαξεν ὁ Ἰησοῦς λέγων· «Ἐὰν μὴ ὁ κόκκος τοῦ σίτου πεσὼν εἰς τὴν γῆν ἀ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 15th, 2019, 6:54 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἔξω an adverb (more or less)
Replies: 2
Views: 127

Re: ἔξω an adverb (more or less)

Mike, For some reason I have a hard time following this notion of development in relation to English . Pulled A.T. Robertson off the self and read his historical discussion starting on page 553. Clears up some confusion (once again) in my thinking. Robertson's treatment needs to be brought into the ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 15th, 2019, 3:49 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Translating Origen's harder section
Replies: 6
Views: 193

Re: Translating Origen's harder section

Φαμὲν τὸ μικρότερον περὶ αὐτοῦ λέγειν τοῦ Χριστοῦ·

περὶ isn't post-positive. We know this because of the accent. So try translating as if τὸ μικρότερον is the object of Φαμὲν and περὶ αὐτοῦ λέγειν τοῦ Χριστοῦ is hyperbaton, with the verb λέγειν interrupting the prepositional phrase.
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 13th, 2019, 5:28 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἔξω an adverb (more or less)
Replies: 2
Views: 127

ἔξω an adverb (more or less)

The traditional metalanguage calls ἔξω an " improper preposition " which is explained as a group of adverbs which can be associated with (take a) oblique case substantive but cannot be affixed to the front of a verb. There's more to the story than that. Prepositions behave differently than adverbs. ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 11th, 2019, 2:47 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verb inside prep phrase: Acts 1:5
Replies: 5
Views: 227

Re: Verb inside prep phrase: Acts 1:5

Here is another example where the verb comes after the substantive τὴν συναγωγὴν followed by a modifier τῶν Ἰουδαίων.

Robinson-Pierpont 2005 Acts 17:10b:
οἵτινες παραγενόμενοι εἰς τὴν συναγωγὴν ἀπῄεσαν τῶν Ἰουδαίων.
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 10th, 2019, 7:20 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verb inside prep phrase: Acts 1:5
Replies: 5
Views: 227

Re: Verb inside prep phrase: Acts 1:5

It happens outside of Koine. In Acts 1:5 the preposition isn't detached from its substantive πνεύματι. 2Clem. 7:4 εἰδέναι [12] ἡμᾶς δεῖ, ὅτι ὁ τὸν φθαρτὸν ἀγῶνα ἀγωνιζόμενος, ἐὰν εὑρεθῇ φθείρων, μαστιγωθεὶς αἴρεται καὶ ἔξω βάλλεται τοῦ σταδίου . 2Clem. 7:4 We must realize that if one who competes in...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 10th, 2019, 1:50 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Gramatical Exegesis: Oecumenius Commentary on the Apocalypse
Replies: 1
Views: 94

Re: Gramatical Exegesis: Oecumenius Commentary on the Apocalypse

More of the same: Oecumenius Commentary on the Apocalypse Ch 6:11:7-8 (English J. N. Suggit p.102) οὗτοί φησίν εἰσιν αἱ δύο ἐλαῖαι καὶ αἱ δύο λυχνίαι αἱ ἐνώπιον τοῦ Κυρίου ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς ἑστῶσαι. Ζαχαρίας ὁ θεσπέσιος προφήτης εἶδε λυχνίαν, ἑπτὰ λύχνους ὑπερείδουσαν, καὶ δύο κλάδους ἐλαιῶν, ἀλλὰ τοὺς κλ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 9th, 2019, 4:34 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Gramatical Exegesis: Oecumenius Commentary on the Apocalypse
Replies: 1
Views: 94

Gramatical Exegesis: Oecumenius Commentary on the Apocalypse

Encountered an example of Gramatical Exegesis while reading Oecumenius. Oecumenius Commentary on the Apocalypse Ch 6:9 (english J. N. Suggit p.97) καὶ ὅτε φησὶν ἔκραξεν, ἐλάλησαν αἱ ἑπτὰ βρονταὶ τὰς ἑαυτῶν φωνάς. ἑπτὰ λέγει βροντᾶς τὰ ἑπτὰ λειτουργικὰ πνεύματα ὧν ἐν τοῖς ἔμπροσθεν μνήμην πεποίηται, ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
January 9th, 2019, 2:24 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 2 questions on Eph 3:14-19
Replies: 7
Views: 293

Re: 2 questions on Eph 3:14-19

This calls for a macro level analysis: From W. J. Larkin Baylor Handbook 2009 Paul appears to be introducing a prayer report in 3:1, but digresses into giving two grounds (3:2-7, 8-13) for his opening declaration of his status (note Τούτου χάριν is picked up again at 3:14). Probing such disruptions ...