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by Stirling Bartholomew
November 17th, 2018, 5:17 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: τουτου in Athenasius Against Pagans & Incarnation
Replies: 4
Views: 152

Re: τουτου in Athenasius Against Pagans & Incarnation

More samples, the last of which compared to the gospels: § 23.1 Τῆς δὲ ἀναστάσεως προηγεῖσθαι δεῖ θάνατον, ἐπεὶ οὐκ ἂν εἴη ἀνάστασις μὴ προηγουμένου θανάτου· ὅθεν εἰ κρύφα που ἐγεγόνει τοῦ σώματος ὁ θάνατος, οὐ φαινομένου τοῦ θανάτου, οὐδὲ ἐπὶ μαρτύρων γενομένου, ἀφανὴς ἦν καὶ ἀμάρτυρος καὶ ἡ τούτου...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 17th, 2018, 3:32 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: τουτου in Athenasius Against Pagans & Incarnation
Replies: 4
Views: 152

Re: τουτου in Athenasius Against Pagans & Incarnation

What triggered this question was τούτου used in reference to ὁ χριστὸς or ὁ λόγος τοῦ θεοῦ or ὁ θεός . Following examples from Incarnation . § 11.7 Καὶ ὅλως πάντα ἦν ἀσεβείας καὶ παρα νομίας μεστά, καὶ μόνος ὁ Θεὸς οὐδὲ ὁ τούτου Λόγος ἐπεγινώσκετο, καίτοι οὐκ ἀφανῆ ἑαυτὸν τοῖς ἀνθρώποις ἐπικρύψας, ο...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 16th, 2018, 5:04 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: τουτου in Athenasius Against Pagans & Incarnation
Replies: 4
Views: 152

τουτου in Athenasius Against Pagans & Incarnation

Been spending a lot of time reading Athenasius. Gradually became aware of τουτου appearing in contexts where it wasn't obvious why it was chosen. Decided to look at statistics comparing τουτου to αυτου. This isn't science. Just a rough way of testing my suspicion, nothing more than a hunch really, t...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 7th, 2018, 3:08 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 1 Tim 1:7 - μὴ... μήτε
Replies: 9
Views: 285

Re: 1 Tim 1:7 - μὴ... μήτε

Here are some similar samples that might be helpful: Matt. 5:34 ἐγὼ δὲ λέγω ὑμῖν μὴ ὀμόσαι ὅλως· μήτε ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ, ὅτι θρόνος ἐστὶν τοῦ θεοῦ, 35 μήτε ἐν τῇ γῇ, ὅτι ὑποπόδιόν ἐστιν τῶν ποδῶν αὐτοῦ, μήτε εἰς Ἱεροσόλυμα, ὅτι πόλις ἐστὶν τοῦ μεγάλου βασιλέως, 36 μήτε ἐν τῇ κεφαλῇ σου ὀμόσῃς, ὅτι οὐ δύν...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 5th, 2018, 8:03 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Genesis 34:3
Replies: 7
Views: 230

Re: Genesis 34:3

While my reading of the text is open to objections, I am not alone in thinking that there is something less than obvious going on in this story. For example: Yair Zakovitch “ The sequence of actions at the beginning of the story is difficul t: Shechem lay with the girl and ravished her (verse 2), an...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 5th, 2018, 5:11 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Genesis 34:3
Replies: 7
Views: 230

Re: Genesis 34:3

The syntax of v3 ... Gen. 34:1 ¶ Ἐξῆλθεν δὲ Δινα ἡ θυγάτηρ Λειας, ἣν ἔτεκεν τῷ Ιακωβ, καταμαθεῖν τὰς θυγατέρας τῶν ἐγχωρίων. 34:2 καὶ εἶδεν αὐτὴν Συχεμ ὁ υἱὸς Εμμωρ ὁ Χορραῖος ὁ ἄρχων τῆς γῆς καὶ λαβὼν αὐτὴν ἐκοιμήθη μετ᾿ αὐτῆς καὶ ἐταπείνωσεν αὐτήν. 34:3 καὶ προσέσχεν τῇ ψυχῇ Δινας τῆς θυγατρὸς Ιακ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 5th, 2018, 4:13 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Genesis 34:3
Replies: 7
Views: 230

Re: Genesis 34:3

You said, "The problem your having is probably caused by a misreading of the narrative. You are imposing a sequential linear framework on something which didn't necessarily happen that way. καὶ προσέσχεν τῇ ψυχῇ Δινας describes a scenario in which Συχεμ was considering Δινας τῆς θυγατρὸς Ιακωβ as a...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 5th, 2018, 3:02 pm
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Subtle differences between paired Greek words
Replies: 5
Views: 189

Re: Subtle differences between paired Greek words

Some theoretical reading might help you clarify your work. What do you mean by meaning ? For example, sense and reference need to be distinguished. Semantic domains and semantic networks are different notions which combine to form a "framework" for dealing with meaning in texts. What is a semantic p...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 4th, 2018, 1:46 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: The Words Συντελεία and Τέλος in Mt 24
Replies: 3
Views: 122

Re: The Words Συντελεία and Τέλος in Mt 24

συντέλεια <OR> τέλος συντέλεια in Matthew and elsewhere is used in eschatological expressions. τέλος has a wide semantic range and some overlap with συντέλεια. The words are not synonymous. In Matthew 24 he starts with συντελείας τοῦ αἰῶνος which is unambiguous and follows with τέλος which probably ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 3rd, 2018, 1:59 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Genesis 34:3
Replies: 7
Views: 230

Re: Genesis 34:3

J.W. Wevers, Notes on Genesis 1993, page 348, Gen 24:14, cf 34:3 παρθένον translates נערה Wevers says "virginity is presupposed" in both passages. The problem your having is probably caused by a misreading of the narrative. You are imposing a sequential linear framework on something which didn't nec...