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by Daniel Gregg
January 29th, 2013, 12:21 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Romans 2:12 ἀνόμως
Replies: 2
Views: 831

Re: Romans 2:12 ἀνόμως

I know that is the usual way of taking it, but I am seeking to know if it is a required way of taking it. The question prior to interpretation is what is possible here. A perfect case is the subjective/objective debate over πίστεως Ἰησου, where I think both sides have admitted possibility....but tha...
by Daniel Gregg
January 29th, 2013, 12:10 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Romans 2:12 ἀνόμως
Replies: 2
Views: 831

Romans 2:12 ἀνόμως

Ὅσοι γὰρ ἀνόμως ἥμαρτον, ἀνόμως καὶ ἀπολοῦνται 1. For however much-ones as-lawless sin, as-lawless also will be destroyed First use: ἀνόμως = lawlessly, adv. or as-law-less (read backwards); those subjectively rejecting law. May this describe the manner of the sin, connoting rejection of law or will...
by Daniel Gregg
January 27th, 2013, 7:10 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Col2:17b-2:18a τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ. μηδεὶς ὑμᾶς καταβραβε
Replies: 33
Views: 8523

Re: Col2:17b-2:18a τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ. μηδεὶς ὑμᾶς καταβ

The Greek word translated "but" is δέ. It is postpositive, which means that it usually appears as the second (and occasionally the third) word in its clause. It shows the relationship of the clause or sentence in which it's found to a previous clause or sentence, usually showing contrast ...
by Daniel Gregg
January 27th, 2013, 12:24 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Col2:17b-2:18a τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ. μηδεὶς ὑμᾶς καταβραβε
Replies: 33
Views: 8523

Re: Col2:17b-2:18a τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ. μηδεὶς ὑμᾶς καταβ

Very well then gentlemen, I am persuaded of the consensus, and realize I have tripped over the tendency to understand the genitive with the word "of" too quickly, which got in the way of seeing predication of the nominative clause with the genitive clause. but the body [is] Christ: τὸ δὲ σ...
by Daniel Gregg
January 26th, 2013, 9:00 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Col2:17b-2:18a τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ. μηδεὶς ὑμᾶς καταβραβε
Replies: 33
Views: 8523

Re: Col2:17b-2:18a τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ. μηδεὶς ὑμᾶς καταβ

ἅ ἐστιν σκιὰ τῶν μελλόντων, τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ. I can see the possibility of apposition here, by carrying the verbal sense to introduce the next clause. which things are a shadow of things coming, that is, [which things are] the body/substance of Christ (is does not appear that accusative is nee...
by Daniel Gregg
January 25th, 2013, 10:30 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Col2:17b-2:18a τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ. μηδεὶς ὑμᾶς καταβραβε
Replies: 33
Views: 8523

Col2:17b-2:18a τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ. μηδεὶς ὑμᾶς καταβραβε

τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ. μηδεὶς ὑμᾶς καταβραβευέτω It looks to me like the last clause of vs. 17 is introductory to verse 18. proposal 1: take τὸ δὲ σῶμα as accusative so that καταβραβευέτω has a double accusative predicate ὑμᾶς and τὸ δὲ σῶμα τοῦ Χριστοῦ Could the sense then be down the lines of &qu...
by Daniel Gregg
January 24th, 2013, 9:13 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Colossians 2:17 - ἅ ἐστιν σκιὰ τῶν μελλόντων
Replies: 27
Views: 8092

Re: Colossians 2:17 - ἅ ἐστιν σκιὰ τῶν μελλόντων

I think Stephen has given a good answer Jason, the present tense verb ἐστιν governs the "reference time" of the participle phrase: τῶν μελλόντων. The shadows are in time future from the present. I would add that the NIV text goes against the natural flow of the Greek: are a shadow of the t...

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