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by Larry Wise
September 5th, 2021, 1:31 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Question. 1 Corinthians 15:52 … καὶ οἱ νεκροὶ ἐγερθήσονται ἄφθαρτοι
Replies: 8
Views: 6964

Re: Question. 1 Corinthians 15:52 … καὶ οἱ νεκροὶ ἐγερθήσονται ἄφθαρτοι

Greetings Jonathan Robie, Thank you for your warm reply. Warm admonitions from your greater Greek understandings - I would do well to heed. Finding and maintaining balance in all you have encouraged me toward takes time and practice. Truly, I thank you Jonathan, for your contributed time toward adju...
by Larry Wise
September 4th, 2021, 2:10 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Question. 1 Corinthians 15:52 … καὶ οἱ νεκροὶ ἐγερθήσονται ἄφθαρτοι
Replies: 8
Views: 6964

Re: Question. 1 Corinthians 15:52 … καὶ οἱ νεκροὶ ἐγερθήσονται ἄφθαρτοι

Greetings Johnathan Robie, You have well established what this clause (καὶ οἱ νεκροὶ ἐγερθήσονται ἄφθαρτοι) is not and can not be. Yes, what I originally proposed is inconsistent with the Greek text. Yes, you are correct, I am looking for noun, pronoun, or something, as you wrote “for that adjective...
by Larry Wise
September 3rd, 2021, 5:57 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Question. 1 Corinthians 15:52 … καὶ οἱ νεκροὶ ἐγερθήσονται ἄφθαρτοι
Replies: 8
Views: 6964

Re: Question. 1 Corinthians 15:52 … καὶ οἱ νεκροὶ ἐγερθήσονται ἄφθαρτοι

Wow, thank you all, S. Walch, Jason Hare, and Jonathan Robie, for your attentive, quick replies. It has taken me some time to get through links offered as reference. Much of the information is general in nature and I could not relate most to the question at hand. However, I can see I was trying to m...
by Larry Wise
August 31st, 2021, 3:37 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Question. 1 Corinthians 15:52 … καὶ οἱ νεκροὶ ἐγερθήσονται ἄφθαρτοι
Replies: 8
Views: 6964

Question. 1 Corinthians 15:52 … καὶ οἱ νεκροὶ ἐγερθήσονται ἄφθαρτοι

Greetings, This single phrase in 1 Corinthians 15:52 --- καὶ οἱ νεκροὶ ἐγερθήσονται ἄφθαρτοι --- seems always to be translated in its presented sequential Greek-text word order of appearance --- and the dead shall-be-raised incorruptible. Thus all translations make orderly sense. Question is: except...
by Larry Wise
May 27th, 2013, 7:05 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ἡ ἐπαγγελία τῆς παρουσίας αὐτοῦ
Replies: 4
Views: 1672

Re: ἡ ἐπαγγελία τῆς παρουσίας αὐτοῦ

05-27-2013 …ἐπαγγελία as referring by metonymy to the realization of the promise… Hello Timothy, This may be accurate, but I believe it to be preferred to exhaust the “genitive” options prior to ascending the figure of speech pathway. I may need to examine this approach more carefully, in the meanti...
by Larry Wise
May 20th, 2013, 8:05 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ἡ ἐπαγγελία τῆς παρουσίας αὐτοῦ
Replies: 4
Views: 1672

ἡ ἐπαγγελία τῆς παρουσίας αὐτοῦ

Greetings, 2 Peter 3:4 καὶ λέγοντες ποῦ ἐστιν ἡ ἐπαγγελία τῆς παρουσίας αὐτοῦ ; ἀφ᾽ ἧς γὰρ οἱ πατέρες ἐκοιμήθησαν, πάντα οὕτως διαμένει ἀπ᾽ ἀρχῆς κτίσεως. When I do a parse search on ἡ ἐπαγγελία τῆς παρουσίας αὐτοῦ from 2 Peter 3:4 I arrive at an apparent conflict with John 19:25, among others, whic...
by Larry Wise
April 29th, 2013, 4:11 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15
Replies: 22
Views: 7829

Re: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15

Larry, I'm kicking around the thought that Paul is alluding to a Triumphal Procession, or at least the last three participants in the procession. 10. The Imperator in a glorified/exalted condition. 11. The relatives of the Imperator. 12.His military forces. An interesting contrast to the Triumph is...
by Larry Wise
April 29th, 2013, 2:32 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15
Replies: 22
Views: 7829

Re: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15

Larry Wise wrote: Why should Paul include Christ in a group that “shall be” zOopoieO? But does he? Is Christ included in this clause: οὕτως καὶ ἐν τῷ Χριστῷ πάντες ζῳοποιηθήσονται? Hello Stephen, A nice two-edged question. Yes, the word Χριστῷ is right there in the clause, plain as day. Does this u...
by Larry Wise
April 23rd, 2013, 11:33 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15
Replies: 22
Views: 7829

Re: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15

Christ, who already possesses life, Larry more than just possessing life verse 45 describes Jesus as πνεῦμα ζῳοποιοῦν (a life-giving spirit). Scott, Agreed. My thinking is that He was zOopoieO well before 1 Corinthians 15:22-23. He is πνεῦμα ζῳοποιοῦν (a life-giving spirit) even at verses 22-23, so...
by Larry Wise
April 23rd, 2013, 11:26 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15
Replies: 22
Views: 7829

Re: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15

Why would it be inappropriate to let both ἀπαρχὴ and Χριστός stand as nouns, separate and distinct from one another? BDAG says of ἀπαρχὴ at 1 Cor 15:20,23: The orig. mng. is greatly weakened so that ἀπαρχὴ becomes almost = πρῶτος; of Christ the first of those who have fallen asleep ..." Scott,...

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