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by Larry Wise
May 27th, 2013, 7:05 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ἡ ἐπαγγελία τῆς παρουσίας αὐτοῦ
Replies: 4
Views: 528

Re: ἡ ἐπαγγελία τῆς παρουσίας αὐτοῦ

05-27-2013 …ἐπαγγελία as referring by metonymy to the realization of the promise… Hello Timothy, This may be accurate, but I believe it to be preferred to exhaust the “genitive” options prior to ascending the figure of speech pathway. I may need to examine this approach more carefully, in the meanti...
by Larry Wise
May 20th, 2013, 8:05 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ἡ ἐπαγγελία τῆς παρουσίας αὐτοῦ
Replies: 4
Views: 528

ἡ ἐπαγγελία τῆς παρουσίας αὐτοῦ

Greetings, 2 Peter 3:4 καὶ λέγοντες ποῦ ἐστιν ἡ ἐπαγγελία τῆς παρουσίας αὐτοῦ ; ἀφ᾽ ἧς γὰρ οἱ πατέρες ἐκοιμήθησαν, πάντα οὕτως διαμένει ἀπ᾽ ἀρχῆς κτίσεως. When I do a parse search on ἡ ἐπαγγελία τῆς παρουσίας αὐτοῦ from 2 Peter 3:4 I arrive at an apparent conflict with John 19:25, among others, whic...
by Larry Wise
April 29th, 2013, 4:11 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15
Replies: 22
Views: 1805

Re: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15

Larry, I'm kicking around the thought that Paul is alluding to a Triumphal Procession, or at least the last three participants in the procession. 10. The Imperator in a glorified/exalted condition. 11. The relatives of the Imperator. 12.His military forces. An interesting contrast to the Triumph is...
by Larry Wise
April 29th, 2013, 2:32 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15
Replies: 22
Views: 1805

Re: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15

Larry Wise wrote: Why should Paul include Christ in a group that “shall be” zOopoieO? But does he? Is Christ included in this clause: οὕτως καὶ ἐν τῷ Χριστῷ πάντες ζῳοποιηθήσονται? Hello Stephen, A nice two-edged question. Yes, the word Χριστῷ is right there in the clause, plain as day. Does this u...
by Larry Wise
April 23rd, 2013, 11:33 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15
Replies: 22
Views: 1805

Re: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15

Christ, who already possesses life, Larry more than just possessing life verse 45 describes Jesus as πνεῦμα ζῳοποιοῦν (a life-giving spirit). Scott, Agreed. My thinking is that He was zOopoieO well before 1 Corinthians 15:22-23. He is πνεῦμα ζῳοποιοῦν (a life-giving spirit) even at verses 22-23, so...
by Larry Wise
April 23rd, 2013, 11:26 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15
Replies: 22
Views: 1805

Re: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15

Why would it be inappropriate to let both ἀπαρχὴ and Χριστός stand as nouns, separate and distinct from one another? BDAG says of ἀπαρχὴ at 1 Cor 15:20,23: The orig. mng. is greatly weakened so that ἀπαρχὴ becomes almost = πρῶτος; of Christ the first of those who have fallen asleep ..." Scott, Inte...
by Larry Wise
April 23rd, 2013, 11:22 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15
Replies: 22
Views: 1805

Re: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15

Why would Paul not just continue in the genitive and use παρουσίας – something like this; “ἔπειτα οἱ τοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐν τῆς παρουσίας”? Larry, certain prepositions are used with only one case. The preposition ἐν is only used with the dative case in NT Greek. Others are used with more than one case and ...
by Larry Wise
April 23rd, 2013, 10:46 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15
Replies: 22
Views: 1805

Re: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15

This is submitted to replace my errant posting on April 23, 2013, 1:53 am. Why should Paul include Christ in a group that “shall be” zOopoieO? But does he? Is Christ included in this clause: οὕτως καὶ ἐν τῷ Χριστῷ πάντες ζῳοποιηθήσονται? Hello Stephen, A nice two-edged question. Yes, the word Χριστῷ...
by Larry Wise
April 23rd, 2013, 1:53 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15
Replies: 22
Views: 1805

Re: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15

Larry Wise wrote: Why should Paul include Christ in a group that “shall be” zOopoieO? But does he? Is Christ included in this clause: οὕτως καὶ ἐν τῷ Χριστῷ πάντες ζῳοποιηθήσονται? Hello Stephen, A nice two-edged question. Yes, the word Χριστῷ is right there in the clause, plain as day. Does this u...
by Larry Wise
April 22nd, 2013, 1:19 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15
Replies: 22
Views: 1805

Re: ζῳοποιηθήσονται in 1Corinthians 15

Larry, BDAG under τάγμα says: "Acc. to 1 Cor 15:23f the gift of life is given to various ones in turn,...and at various times. One view is that in this connection Paul distinguishes three groups: Christ, who already possesses life, the Christians, who will receive it at his second coming, and the r...