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by Paul Thomson
February 26th, 2013, 3:55 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Rom. 8:28... adverbial or adjectival prepositional phrase?
Replies: 13
Views: 2763

Re: Rom. 8:28... adverbial or adjectival prepositional phras

I gave a biblical example, which I thought would make my point obvious, because I thought that would be contextually relevant to another biblical text. The invitee was identified as "one not according to the king's purpose" (adjectival phrase) because he was not wearing a supplied wedding garment. ...
by Paul Thomson
February 25th, 2013, 5:29 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Rom. 8:28... adverbial or adjectival prepositional phrase?
Replies: 13
Views: 2763

Re: Rom. 8:28... adverbial or adjectival prepositional phras

Why do you say "there is no noun in the clause"? κλητοῖς (invitees) is a noun? It seems to me that κλητοῖς is a verbal adjective, especially in connection with οὖσιν. If κατὰ πρόθεσιν were adjectival, then the invitees under consideration are those who are κατὰ πρόθεσιν, as opposed to the invitees ...
by Paul Thomson
February 18th, 2013, 5:53 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Rom. 8:28... adverbial or adjectival prepositional phrase?
Replies: 13
Views: 2763

Re: Rom. 8:28... adverbial or adjectival prepositional phras

David Lim wrote: Paul Thomson wrote: If we look at Romans 8:28 we see - A. οἴδαμεν δὲ ὅτι τοῖς ἀγαπῶσιν τὸν θεὸν πάντα συνεργεῖ εἰς ἀγαθόν, τοῖς κατὰ πρόθεσιν κλητοῖς οὖσιν. Should κατὰ πρόθεσιν be treated as an adjectival prepositional phrase, describing which/what type of invitees are meant? Or a...
by Paul Thomson
February 17th, 2013, 6:33 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Rom. 8:28... adverbial or adjectival prepositional phrase?
Replies: 13
Views: 2763

Rom. 8:28... adverbial or adjectival prepositional phrase?

I have been trying to apply the lessons learned here concerning adjectival and adverbial prepositional phrases and distinguishing between the two. If we look at Romans 8:28 we see - A. οἴδαμεν δὲ ὅτι τοῖς ἀγαπῶσιν τὸν θεὸν πάντα συνεργεῖ εἰς ἀγαθόν, τοῖς κατὰ πρόθεσιν κλητοῖς οὖσιν . :?: Should κατὰ...
by Paul Thomson
November 23rd, 2012, 7:11 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 1 Pet 4:2 re Adjectival Use of Prepositional Phrases
Replies: 13
Views: 1907

1 Pet 4:2 re Adjectival Use of Prepositional Phrases

1 Peter 4 1 Χριστοῦ οὖν παθόντος σαρκὶ καὶ ὑμεῖς τὴν αὐτὴν ἔννοιαν ὁπλίσασθε, ὅτι ὁ παθὼν σαρκὶ πέπαυται ἁμαρτίας 2 εἰς τὸ μηκέτι ἀνθρώπων ἐπιθυμίαις ἀλλὰ θελήματι θεοῦ τὸν ἐπίλοιπον ἐν σαρκὶ βιῶσαι χρόνον. 3 ἀρκετὸς γὰρ ὁ παρεληλυθὼς χρόνος τὸ βούλημα τῶν ἐθνῶν κατειργάσθαι πεπορευμένους ἐν ἀσελγεί...
by Paul Thomson
November 14th, 2012, 3:48 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Adjectival Use of Prepositional Phrases
Replies: 29
Views: 10375

Re: Adjectival Use of Prepositional Phrases

Just to clarify. I provided Jason with these examples in another forum, when I was asking for opinions on Romans 1:20 16 Οὐ γὰρ ἐπαισχύνομαι τὸ εὐαγγέλιον, δύναμις γὰρ θεοῦ ἐστιν εἰς σωτηρίαν παντὶ τῷ πιστεύοντι, Ἰουδαίῳ τε πρῶτον καὶ Ἕλληνι. 17 δικαιοσύνη γὰρ θεοῦ ἐν αὐτῷ ἀποκαλύπτεται ἐκ πίστεως ε...
by Paul Thomson
August 1st, 2012, 6:10 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Constructio ad Sensum in the prologue of John
Replies: 41
Views: 10135

Re: Constructio ad Sensum in the prologue of John

by David Lim » July 31st, 2012, 5:41 am Paul Thomson wrote: Clearly, if the life was in Him, and the life was the light of men, then the light of men was in Him, and the light of men cannot actually be Him. This part is not grammar but interpretation. How it is that "life was in/by him" is not gram...
by Paul Thomson
July 30th, 2012, 4:38 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Constructio ad Sensum in the prologue of John
Replies: 41
Views: 10135

Re: Constructio ad Sensum in the prologue of John

I think the OP was partly assuming that there was a change between a neuter pronoun in v. 5 (αυτο) and a masculine pronoun (αυτον) for the same entity . I agree that there is no constructio ad sensum in 5, since neuter is what φως is grammatically. I don't see anything superfluous to a commentary on...
by Paul Thomson
July 29th, 2012, 10:19 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Constructio ad Sensum in the prologue of John
Replies: 41
Views: 10135

Re: Constructio ad Sensum in the prologue of John

Sorry if I said too much. :o My point was that the light in v. 5 is said to be IN the Word, so it cannot be the Word itself, and as such is understandably neuter. But in v. 10 we read of "the true light" (i.e. the source of the light of v.5), and is therefore the Word himself, and is understandably ...
by Paul Thomson
July 29th, 2012, 5:55 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Constructio ad Sensum in the prologue of John
Replies: 41
Views: 10135

Re: Constructio ad Sensum in the prologue of John

4 ἐν αὐτῷ ζωὴ ἦν, καὶ ἡ ζωὴ (the life that was in him, so not "the true light himself") ἦν τὸ φῶς τῶν ἀνθρώπων· ( The life originating in the Word is identified here as the light that guides men to what is good, not as the one in whom the light originates .) 5 καὶ τὸ φῶς (the light that emanates fro...