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by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 12th, 2020, 2:53 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 39
Views: 832

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

νεκρός has a special status as a cultural universal. When used in the plural it generally doesn't require referential disambiguation. This has implications which need to be taken into account when trying to figure out what the lack of the article means. By saying this you have given a possible expl...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 12th, 2020, 5:31 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 39
Views: 832

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

What Porter does is set up a distinction between particularity=specificity and non-particularity/qualitativeness=categorical as important and then states that the Greek article does not encode this distinction! Porter 1992:105 wrote: This formulation illustrates that in Greek the presence or absenc...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 11th, 2020, 10:12 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 39
Views: 832

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

By "different rules" I of course mean rules for using the article.

EDIT: the time window for editing an existing post is too short, I wanted to add to my previous post. Stephen's message appeared to me after I submitted this one.
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 11th, 2020, 4:58 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 39
Views: 832

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Here's a question, not directly related to any statement in these grammars: We are talking about prepositions. Prepositions occur only with oblique cases. But oblique cases occur also without prepositions. Are these occurrences governed by different rules even though an oblique case with a prepositi...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 9th, 2020, 1:39 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 39
Views: 832

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

The Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek (2019, p. 328 ff.) is a bit clearer with the article in general. Meaning: * "The article is 'definite' because it refers to someone/something that is identifiable." * Reasons for identifiability: ** mentioned before ** obvious from the context or made specifi...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 9th, 2020, 10:00 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 39
Views: 832

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

I think it's quite stretch to say it means anything other than what English means by "the dead." I didn't say that or think that. It's not about what it "means" (whatever that means). The referent is certainly the same -- all the dead people. But think about it this way: we have verbs and they have...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 9th, 2020, 7:11 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 39
Views: 832

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

I am not sure that descriptive grammar needs to go deeply into "why." Why the article is "frequently" omitted in prepositional phrases is an interesting question, but that it happens is even more important to one learning the language. How much the descriptive statements can be separated from "why"...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 9th, 2020, 5:04 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 39
Views: 832

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Interesting example is "out of water", "from water". * Exodus 2:10 (LXX; versification from RSV etc.) * Matthew 3:16 * Mark 1:10 * John 3:5 * Acts 8:39 * II Peter 3:5 * Revelation 8:11 * II Samuel 22:17 / Psalms 8:16 * Psalms 69:14 * Psalms 144:7 * Ezekiel 31:5 Why would this be interesting? They lo...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 9th, 2020, 3:44 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 39
Views: 832

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

I agree with Stephen on pretty much all about Siebenthal. It's somewhat a disappointment because it doesn't seem to give a thought to possible linguistic explanations to many phenomena. Maybe there's just not enough knowledge about the article that he could say something which isn't unsure or specul...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
June 26th, 2020, 5:35 am
Forum: Bible Study Software
Topic: Sad news about ... bible software in general.
Replies: 7
Views: 305

Re: Sad news about ... bible software in general.

I would prefer to see open module formats that can be used with multiple vendors' tools. OSIS is already such format, and the text modules can be encrypted. The Open Source SWORD library and all the applications using it could use those modules. But for some reason the publishers of texts don't wan...

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