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by Penn Tomassetti
July 15th, 2014, 12:36 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?
Replies: 14
Views: 1845

Re: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?

Consonant clusters, I can provide more help...even if you weren't asking. I appreciate this, too. I hope I'm not asking too much if I add, but what about vowel clusters, like οι / υι / ηυ? While υι is called a dipthong, we have that fascinating papyrus from 100CE with τω οιειωι 'to the son'. Thank ...
by Penn Tomassetti
July 15th, 2014, 12:23 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?
Replies: 14
Views: 1845

Re: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?

Well, then check the book out of the library. Or buy it. Used, it may not even be that much. It has the kind of detail you're looking for, and it is aware of the limitations of the evidence (e.g., transliteration). Thanks for this, Stephen. You are right, I just checked and it is not that expensive...
by Penn Tomassetti
July 12th, 2014, 8:29 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?
Replies: 14
Views: 1845

Re: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?

MAubrey wrote:Consonant clusters, I can provide more help...even if you weren't asking.
I appreciate this, too. I hope I'm not asking too much if I add, but what about vowel clusters, like οι / υι / ηυ?
by Penn Tomassetti
July 12th, 2014, 7:56 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?
Replies: 14
Views: 1845

Re: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?

though I guess I would like to see if anyone else has shown any evidence that I could look at from or through this forum. If you have the patience, there's a good bit of Threatte's grammar of Attic inscriptions available to read on Google Books, but you'll have to clear your browser cache every tim...
by Penn Tomassetti
July 12th, 2014, 7:39 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?
Replies: 14
Views: 1845

Re: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?

The evidence for the value of Υ, υ, ranges from comparative evidence, synchronic and diachronic dialectal evidence, transliterations from and to foreign languages, and statements of grammarians and rhetoricians, As such, it is tough to summarize briefly on a forum in a manner that conveys the full ...
by Penn Tomassetti
July 12th, 2014, 7:11 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?
Replies: 14
Views: 1845

Re: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?

The easy answer is that Germans did the original reconstruction. :D χαχαχαχαχα! :D Mike, I appreciate your responses. Don't worry about hitting my question exactly, I'm pretty curious about most of everything. I've read the Wikipedia IPA info before and found it helpful, though I guess I would like...
by Penn Tomassetti
July 12th, 2014, 7:01 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?
Replies: 14
Views: 1845

Re: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?

The request for online sources only is rather frustrating . . . (Heck, you might even find an pirated copy of it online somewhere if you are really look hard.) I am sorry to have frustrated you with my question. Perhaps you shouldn't have bothered to answer. Frankly, I am shocked that you would sug...
by Penn Tomassetti
July 12th, 2014, 10:16 am
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?
Replies: 14
Views: 1845

what evidence shows Koine υ sounded like German ü?

I have seen evidence for some of the vowel shifts online from Buth and others showing iotacism in the early centuries of the Greek speaking church, but I would like to know what evidence supports η and υ as sounding like é and ü. In most of the posts I've read, usually no positive evidence for those...
by Penn Tomassetti
February 13th, 2014, 9:31 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: Ta onómata (names) and the dative case
Replies: 12
Views: 1776

Re: Ta onómata (names) and the dative case

Thank you all for sharing so much useful information! I appreciate it. It is an interesting question to me, since there seem to be two almost equivalent ways to talk about one's name and the challenge is discovering what the differences are between them. The dative "of possession," if you want to ca...
by Penn Tomassetti
December 27th, 2013, 11:20 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: Ta onómata (names) and the dative case
Replies: 12
Views: 1776

Ta onómata (names) and the dative case

Would anyone be able to help me understand why New Testament and Septuagint Greek sometimes use the dative case for referring directly to a person's name, while other times the genitive case is used? Could this be due to ellipsis? Perhaps there was a longer phrase that was later shortened down to tw...