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by moon jung
August 1st, 2014, 7:21 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Romans 6:1 - Subjunctive ἐπιμένωμεν
Replies: 2
Views: 588

Re: Romans 6:1 - Subjunctive ἐπιμένωμεν

Τί οὖν ἐροῦμεν; ἐπιμένωμεν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ, ἵνα ἡ χάρις πλεονάσῃ; Hi guys, Just a quick question about the subjunctive ἐπιμένωμεν in this verse. Its either hortatory 'let us remain' or deliberative 'shall we remain?' Often, this has been understood to be the voice of one of Paul's opponents who is askin...
by moon jung
July 31st, 2014, 9:42 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: The structure of Rom 4:11-12
Replies: 1
Views: 444

The structure of Rom 4:11-12

While I read this text in trying to comment on another thread, I paid some attention to the structure of 4:11-12, which is not simple. Please comment on my analysis. 4:11 Και σημεῑον ελαβεν περιτομῆς σφραγῖδα τῆς δικαισυνης τῆς πιστεως τῆς εν τῇ ακροβυστια --------- εισ εῖναι αυτον ταπερα παντων τω̄...
by moon jung
July 31st, 2014, 8:54 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Romans 4:11
Replies: 5
Views: 969

Re: Romans 4:11

I see the second phrase as in apposition to or explicative of the first, and so it would be a purpose clause as well. Also, while εἰς is occasionally used of result, is it so used when the object is an articular infinitive? I have always seen it as parallel to ad+gerundive in Latin, so regularly us...
by moon jung
July 27th, 2014, 7:40 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?
Replies: 41
Views: 5411

Re: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?

There is nothing at all ambiguous about the sentence "I saw six girls singing in the park." No native English speaker hears this as in any way ambiguous. I saw six girls. What were they doing? Singing in the park. Where were you when you saw them? Duh, I was in the park... Now, I think this has gon...
by moon jung
July 26th, 2014, 4:55 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?
Replies: 41
Views: 5411

Re: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?

Many native speakers of English mix up, 1.The six girls that I saw in the park, were singing. 2.The six girls, who I saw in the park were singing. 3.The six girls, whom I saw in the park were singing. 4.The six girls, what I seen in the park was/were singing.(restricted to some dialects) Only those...
by moon jung
July 25th, 2014, 7:51 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?
Replies: 41
Views: 5411

Re: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?

Many native speakers of English mix up, 1.The six girls that I saw in the park, were singing. 2.The six girls, who I saw in the park were singing. 3.The six girls, whom I saw in the park were singing. 4.The six girls, what I seen in the park was/were singing.(restricted to some dialects) Only those...
by moon jung
July 25th, 2014, 3:40 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?
Replies: 41
Views: 5411

Re: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?

If so, English grammar books that clearly distinguish (1) from (2) are wrong? Acccording to the standard grammar, the relative clause is "restrictive" in (1). The distinction between restrictive and non-restrictive is really strong when the referent is definite. It also has some strength for genera...
by moon jung
July 24th, 2014, 8:40 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?
Replies: 41
Views: 5411

Re: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?

Let me use the English example "I saw six girls singing in the park" to show what was in my mind. Do you speak this sentence to mean (1) "I saw six girls that were singing in the park" or (2) "I saw six girls, who were singing in the park"? In English, I think all three sentences have essentially t...
by moon jung
July 24th, 2014, 12:00 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?
Replies: 41
Views: 5411

Re: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?

But the most plausible interpretation is to assume that there were no other water pots other than "six stone water pots" in the house, ... Rubbish! Please reconsider your views! Jung, please think realistically. They were human beings the same as we are now. Think about your life. Did they drink wa...
by moon jung
July 23rd, 2014, 7:00 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?
Replies: 41
Views: 5411

Re: John 2:6: attributive or predicate participles?

So the verse tells us: • Ησαν δὲ εκιεῖ ὑδρίαι λίθιναι ἓξ κείμεναι - six stone water jars were set there • κατὰ τὸν καθαρισμὸν τῶν Ιουδαίων - in accordance with the ceremonial cleansing of the Jews • χωροῦσαι ανὰ μετρητὰς δύο ἠ τρεῖς - each holding two or three measures What ambiguity are you trying...