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- August 5th, 2021, 7:32 am
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 8:58
- Replies: 209
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Re: John 8:58
Eeli, I wasn’t trying to resolve the issue by having Stephen translate it I was trying to understand his view of the syntax by making him translate it. He didn’t do so but pointed me to the 'standard' translations which opened him up to being misunderstood. That suggests an important criterion for ...
- August 4th, 2021, 5:07 pm
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 8:58
- Replies: 209
- Views: 35754
Re: John 8:58
Sorry, but that makes no sense to me.Eeli Kaikkonen wrote: ↑August 4th, 2021, 5:03 pmI would put it vice versa: it's a PPA only if one refuses to see the clash. And that's our main problem: which way is it?Sean Kasabuske wrote: ↑August 4th, 2021, 4:59 pm As far as I can see, it's only a clash if one refuses to see the text as an example of the PPA.
~Sean
- August 4th, 2021, 4:59 pm
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 8:58
- Replies: 209
- Views: 35754
Re: John 8:58
But your comments are what I’ve been saying all along. (Referring to Barry's comments.) This is interesting, because I was perplexed about what Barry said, too, until now when I read it again carefully. He says the aspect of the infinitive follows essentially the same rule as participles -- an aori...
- August 4th, 2021, 4:46 pm
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 8:58
- Replies: 209
- Views: 35754
Re: John 8:58
Ok…then what is it? I asked you for a translation and you pointed me to the standard translations. Can we really call the standard translation a "translation"? All it has is English words used in place of the Greek, with the text left at the interlinear stage. I don't call that a "tr...
- August 4th, 2021, 3:13 pm
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 8:58
- Replies: 209
- Views: 35754
Re: John 8:58
P.S. About the lack of comparable examples, I'll repeat what I've offered on other forums: How many examples can we expect to find that are grammatically parallel to a text in which a man claims to have been in existence since before some ancient ancestor was born? This sounds sarcastic and gives a...
- August 4th, 2021, 10:58 am
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 8:58
- Replies: 209
- Views: 35754
Re: John 8:58
I have been in existence since before Abraham was born What are the possible ways of saying that in Koine? That's in interesting and important question, but... BTW, no need to oil up and flex by pointing out that my knowledge of Greek grammar is incomplete. I readily admit as much, as would many pe...
- August 4th, 2021, 7:02 am
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 8:58
- Replies: 209
- Views: 35754
Re: John 8:58
Ok, I've seen a lot of back and forth without much support for the view that John 8:58 is an example of a PPA. (I think that the text is so clearly an example of the PPA idiom that it should itself serve as an indisputable example and thereby neutralize the part of Wallace's counter argument based o...
- August 1st, 2021, 9:54 am
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 8:58
- Replies: 209
- Views: 35754
Re: John 8:58
But here's one well-known example: πρὸ τοῦ ὄρη γενηθῆναι καὶ πλασθῆναι τὴν γῆν καὶ τὴν οἰκουμένην καὶ ἀπὸ τοῦ αἰῶνος ἕως τοῦ αἰῶνος σὺ εἶ . Which is syntactically very similar to: εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Ἰησοῦς, Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί . But I am also very curious about the Septuagi...
- July 18th, 2021, 3:29 pm
- Forum: Beginners Forum
- Topic: Question About Accents: Syntactical Implications of εἰμι verses εἰμί
- Replies: 6
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Question About Accents: Syntactical Implications of εἰμι verses εἰμί
Greetings, A friend of mine has suggested that a distinction in interpretation can be inferred by reference to the accents used with εἰμι vs. εἰμί. His assertion goes something like this: 1. When the final accent is absent, so that you have εἰμι (e.g. John 8:28), then that means that there is a synt...
- December 9th, 2019, 7:13 pm
- Forum: Writing Greek
- Topic: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan
- Replies: 19
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Re: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan
I was attempting to offer Barry a compliment via the use of hyperbole. If this now has to become a thread about how poorly I communicate, then just delete the entire thing and let's move on. Don't worry about it, it's fine, you asked a legitimate question which hopefully has been answered despite t...