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by Scott Myers
January 22nd, 2016, 5:45 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Eph. 2:1, 5 and ὄντας with the dative case of the clause
Replies: 17
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Re: Eph. 2:1, 5 and ὄντας with the dative case of the clause

Ah, I suspect you have not yet learned how to identify the time of participles in Greek. Let's focus on that. You might find this chapter helpful:..... In some cases, a sentence can be read in more than one way. Here, you've seen that there's more than one candidate for the main verb. Reading sente...
by Scott Myers
January 20th, 2016, 8:34 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Eph. 2:1, 5 and ὄντας with the dative case of the clause
Replies: 17
Views: 3799

Re: Eph. 2:1, 5 and ὄντας with the dative case of the clause

No, "in" would be better. It's either an associative dative or a dative of cause. "Dead to" sounds like sin has ended, and Paul here is saying that while we were dead in our sins God had mercy on us, it was while we were dead in our sins that God raised us up... Remember that the present participle...
by Scott Myers
January 20th, 2016, 7:35 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Eph. 2:1, 5 and ὄντας with the dative case of the clause
Replies: 17
Views: 3799

Re: Eph. 2:1, 5 and ὄντας with the dative case of the clause

A lot of this depends on the time to which ὄντας refers, whether this refers to the way they were "being" when they were dead, or the way that they were "being" at the time Paul wrote. You need to find the main verb to identify the time it refers to. Thanks Jonathan. With all that you shared I am n...
by Scott Myers
January 17th, 2016, 11:23 am
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Eph. 2:1, 5 and ὄντας with the dative case of the clause
Replies: 17
Views: 3799

Eph. 2:1, 5 and ὄντας with the dative case of the clause

Καὶ ὑμᾶς ὄντας νεκροὺς τοῖς παραπτώμασιν καὶ ταῖς ἁμαρτίαις (ὑμῶν), In or to our sins. Both are possible translations to me, but my understanding of the grammar is limited. I am biased to the clause being translated "Being dead to offenses and the trespasses". The reason why other than the dative ca...

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