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by jeremyers1
May 4th, 2018, 12:40 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Use of the dative τῷ διαβόλῳ in Matthew 25:41
Replies: 12
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Re: Use of the dative τῷ διαβόλῳ in Matthew 25:41

Thanks for the tip on discussing theology here ... I'm new to this forum and wasn't aware, but it makes perfect sense. It's interesting you mention jail there at the end ... I work in a jail, and while it wasn't prepared for the prisoners ... they certainly run it after they're in it ... but that's ...
by jeremyers1
May 4th, 2018, 11:00 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Use of the dative τῷ διαβόλῳ in Matthew 25:41
Replies: 12
Views: 2009

Re: Use of the dative τῷ διαβόλῳ in Matthew 25:41

Ah yes, excellent! The parallels between the two "kingdoms" are obvious as well. Thank you.
by jeremyers1
May 3rd, 2018, 11:39 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Use of the dative τῷ διαβόλῳ in Matthew 25:41
Replies: 12
Views: 2009

Re: Use of the dative τῷ διαβόλῳ in Matthew 25:41

Most of all, I am interested in potentially valid translations, regardless of what labels they might or might not carry. So I am wondering if the dative could reasonably be translated as "by the devil and his angels" or "by means of the devil and his angels." And yes, I am primarily interested in th...
by jeremyers1
May 3rd, 2018, 4:10 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Use of the dative τῷ διαβόλῳ in Matthew 25:41
Replies: 12
Views: 2009

Use of the dative τῷ διαβόλῳ in Matthew 25:41

εἰς τὸ πῦρ τὸ αἰώνιον τὸ ἡτοιμασμένον τῷ διαβόλῳ καὶ τοῖς ἀγγέλοις αὐτοῦ. Is it possible that the dative is "Dative of Means" or "Dative of Agency"? Yes, I know that the devil and his angels are not "creative." They pervert, twist, and destroy. But could it be that the everlasting fire was not prepa...