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by Stephen Nelson
June 4th, 2020, 1:25 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Colors in Ancient Greek
Replies: 35
Views: 3917

Re: Colors in Ancient Greek

You might put ὠχρόν "pale" with μήλινον or even left of λευκόν, since it is a bridge between yellow and white. “τὸ δὲ ὠχρὸν γίγνεται λευκοῦ ξανθῷ μειγνυμένου” I've moved some things around. The yellow spectrum now grades from μήλινον to θειῶδες to ὠχρόν. I'm puzzled by the LSJ reference to ὠχρόν as...
by Stephen Nelson
May 26th, 2020, 11:53 am
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek
Replies: 24
Views: 1452

Re: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek

Stephen Nelson wrote:
May 26th, 2020, 1:18 am
There he says, “τρέχε!” over and over again, in a variety of ways (i.e. "τρέχε ταχέως!"). Now, as a practitioner of Erasmian pronunciation, I imagine he has absolutely no compulsion to palatalize ‘χ’ > [ç] before a back vowel.
Sorry, I meant to say FRONT vowel, not BACK vowel!
by Stephen Nelson
May 26th, 2020, 1:18 am
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek
Replies: 24
Views: 1452

Re: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek

I hate to flog a dead horse with the whole issue of velar fronting. But one salient example that comes to mind is a video of Professor Christophe Rico, teaching Greek by giving commands in the imperative mood. Here’s a link to the video at the 12:53 mark: https://youtu.be/BiNLxi6hHFI?t=773 There he ...
by Stephen Nelson
May 23rd, 2020, 3:32 pm
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek
Replies: 24
Views: 1452

Re: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek

[...] there is significant evidence of other velar sounds being palatalized before front vowels, such as the insertion of γ before /i/, presumably representing a palatal fricative [ʝ]. Given that palatalization seems to affect velars in Greek uniformly as a class, and given that there is evidence w...
by Stephen Nelson
May 19th, 2020, 1:20 pm
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek
Replies: 24
Views: 1452

Re: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek

Personally, I always palatalize velars (velar fronting) before front vowels from force of habit. It was ingrained in me when I learned Russian, which systematically employs contrastive palatalization. The phonetic process of palatalizing/fronting velars is very similar to that of Standard Modern Gre...
by Stephen Nelson
May 17th, 2020, 7:57 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)
Replies: 15
Views: 675

Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

FWIW, the usual Hebrew root translated as a form of κατέχω is אחז, which has a silent first radical, and the other two radicals appear (in that order) in חָזַק. So I'm thinking we should consider visual and phonetic mistakes on the part of the translator (or copyist). Would you draw that conclusion...
by Stephen Nelson
May 17th, 2020, 5:54 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)
Replies: 15
Views: 675

Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

Yes! Mea culpa! 3 Kgdms 2:28. There we go! Thanks! 3 Kingdoms (1 Kings) 2:28 - NASB: Now the news came to Joab, for Joab had followed Adonijah, although he had not followed Absalom . And Joab fled to the tent of the LORD and took hold of the horns of the altar. LXX: καὶ ἡ ἀκοὴ ἦλθεν ἕως Ιωαβ τοῦ υἱ...
by Stephen Nelson
May 17th, 2020, 5:12 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)
Replies: 15
Views: 675

Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

Ken M. Penner wrote:
May 17th, 2020, 4:28 pm
Right. 2 Kgdms is 2 Samuel.
But the LXX there doesn't have κατέχω... Did you mean to imply that it's an example of the same type of phenomenon, with another word?
by Stephen Nelson
May 17th, 2020, 4:16 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)
Replies: 15
Views: 675

Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

FWIW, the usual Hebrew root translated as a form of κατέχω is אחז, which has a silent first radical, and the other two radicals appear (in that order) in חָזַק. So I'm thinking we should consider visual and phonetic mistakes on the part of the translator (or copyist). Has someone else mentioned tha...
by Stephen Nelson
May 16th, 2020, 9:50 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)
Replies: 15
Views: 675

Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

For the Hebrew, I think it is using this sense (taken from SDBH): OK, so at this point the Hebrew doesn't bother you, you are just wondering about the Greek? I do wonder if there's a clear prototypical meaning behind these various usages. In the given context, though, is there a different meaning t...

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