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by Dizerner
September 5th, 2021, 2:30 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: 1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion
Replies: 12
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Re: 1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion

Here's the study note I ended up writing on this verse, would appreciate any corrections or observations: And last of all, as like to the baby born dead, he appeared also to me. The word ἐκτρώματι, from a cutting out, seems to always mean a miscarriage or abortion, but translations/commentaries try ...
by Dizerner
September 3rd, 2021, 12:39 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: 1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion
Replies: 12
Views: 11912

Re: 1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion

And A. L. Peck translates:

"But if ever it does happen (as in fact it has been known to do), the mother cannot bring the second one to completion, but ejects fetations that are very similar to what are known as abortions."
by Dizerner
September 3rd, 2021, 11:13 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: 1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion
Replies: 12
Views: 11912

Re: 1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion

a premature birth (Aristotel) Is there a way to find this actual reference? I found a reference to this here: S. Ignatius. S. Polycarp: Revised Texts with Instructions, Notes, Dissertations, and Translations. The notes list a reference to Aristotle's use, in one case at any rate, and other instance...
by Dizerner
September 3rd, 2021, 2:06 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: 1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion
Replies: 12
Views: 11912

Re: 1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion

Jean Putmans wrote: September 3rd, 2021, 1:34 ama premature birth (Aristotel)
Is there a way to find this actual reference?
by Dizerner
September 3rd, 2021, 12:21 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: 1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion
Replies: 12
Views: 11912

Re: 1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion

a child untimely born This is what I question; although multiple sources parrot this, some of them flat out deny it, and no real life example is ever given. Does anyone know of a source that actually uses the word for a living baby or a place where you can search Greek sources? The interpretations ...
by Dizerner
September 1st, 2021, 12:00 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: 1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion
Replies: 12
Views: 11912

Re: 1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion

Just reading the sentence through it would seem inconsistent with the rest of the datives where the sense is "appeared to x", "appeared to y" and so on. Someone might give you a better grammatical explanation as to why not but to me it does not seem a natural way to read the dat...
by Dizerner
September 1st, 2021, 7:40 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: 1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion
Replies: 12
Views: 11912

1 Cor. 15:8 — Paul and the abortion

ἔσχατον δὲ πάντων ὡσπερεὶ τῷ ἐκτρώματι ὤφθη κἀμοί. (1Co 15:8 BGT) And last of all, as like to the abortion, he appeared also to me. The word ἐκτρώματι generally does seem to be used for a baby that dies more than a baby that is born in a strange way. To try to make it make sense many translators con...

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