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- February 1st, 2022, 1:58 am
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
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Re: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
A slight difference in wording does not necessarily mean a difference in content. Coul you tell me what do you mean by this? Do you mean that "ἀγαπᾷς με πλέον τούτων (Joh 21:15 BGT) " and "ἀγαπᾷς με (Joh 21:16 WHO)" have no difference in content? If so, according to your underst...
- January 29th, 2022, 12:34 am
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
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Re: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
Michael, remember the flag warning at the top of the page: " This is not a beginner's forum, competence in Greek is assumed. " Also, your questions seem as much about English as about Greek... Nevertheless: 1) There is no real distinction between "the third time" vs. "for t...
- January 27th, 2022, 3:25 am
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
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Re: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
In the context of that passage you seem to forget what comes next. It would be clumsy to repeat εἶπεν αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον in the ὅτι clause if it meant only "spoke to him for the third time, [asking]..." or something similar. And the point in the discourse seems to be that Jesus asked for the ...
- January 26th, 2022, 9:51 am
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
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Re: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
Thank you all for your input! I agree that etymology might helpful but context is the key to unlock the meaning of a word in its context. It seems to me that "the third time τὸ τρίτον" just means that it was the third time that Jesus said to Peter and did not necessarily mean that Jesus sa...
- January 24th, 2022, 11:31 pm
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
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Re: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
Dear Barry, Thank you very much for your reply! I check many English translations and find that this sentence is translated as "Jesus said to Peter the third time". I was told by English linguists that it just means that it was the third time that Jesus said to Peter and this sentence woul...
- January 24th, 2022, 5:00 am
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
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John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
Dear the one who is concerned, I am a beginer of Greek and wondering whether the greek grammar of John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)" demands that Jesus said the same content at the third time as the first two? Or does the place of "the third ti...