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by living_manna
December 15th, 2024, 4:10 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Matthew 26:17 δὲ not 'on'?
Replies: 7
Views: 25902

Re: Matthew 26:17 δὲ not 'on'?

Jason, Ha! Yeah, no, my faith is based on the person of God. I don't worry too much when I see an apparent Bible discrepancy or even something that seems quite wrong. I assume the scripture is inspired because I have learned that the problem is usually in my perspective. Brian, yes, from a forensic ...
by living_manna
December 13th, 2024, 5:49 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Matthew 26:17 δὲ not 'on'?
Replies: 7
Views: 25902

Re: Matthew 26:17 δὲ not 'on'?

Thanks, S Walch for explaining the use of δὲ. OK, this post is now going off topic into interpretation issues. To avoid irritating folks, here is my short version. Yes, I am trying to reconcile synoptic Gospels versions of the Lord’s Supper as a Passover with John 13:1. “It was just before the Passo...
by living_manna
December 11th, 2024, 1:54 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Where do beginners go these days?
Replies: 14
Views: 56746

Re: Where do beginners go these days?

I find that when searching for something unusual, Chat GPT (and Geminii) often give me hallucinations: Me: Show me examples in Biblical greek of the dative article when it implies nearnees or proximity. Chat GPT response: In Biblical Greek (Koine Greek), the dative case is often used to express prox...
by living_manna
December 9th, 2024, 3:32 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Matthew 26:17 δὲ not 'on'?
Replies: 7
Views: 25902

Matthew 26:17 δὲ not 'on'?

Matthew 26:17 Τῇ δὲ πρώτῃ τῶν ἀζύμων προσῆλθον οἱ μαθηταὶ τῷ Ἰησοῦ λέγοντες· Ποῦ θέλεις ἑτοιμάσωμέν σοι φαγεῖν τὸ πάσχα; "On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus ...(NIV)" Every English translation including literal versions use 'on' for δὲ which woul...
by living_manna
September 16th, 2022, 4:36 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: ἐκ λύπης 2 Corinthians 9:7
Replies: 10
Views: 45284

Re: ἐκ λύπης 2 Corinthians 9:7

I'll get started writing up this life changing article for peer review ASAP - just kidding.
by living_manna
September 15th, 2022, 10:38 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: ἐκ λύπης 2 Corinthians 9:7
Replies: 10
Views: 45284

Re: ἐκ λύπης 2 Corinthians 9:7

Yes, I checked Oedipus at Colonus and I found οὐκ οἴκτου μέτα and I see that οἶκτος is a synonym meaning pity; but I see no mention of λύπη, so I assumed it to be very weak support. Am I missing something? Soph OC 1636-1637 ὁ δʼ, ὡς ἀνὴρ γενναῖος, οὐκ οἴκτου μέτα κατῄνεσεν τάδʼ ὅρκιος δράσειν ξένῳ. ...
by living_manna
September 15th, 2022, 4:41 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: ἐκ λύπης 2 Corinthians 9:7
Replies: 10
Views: 45284

Re: ἐκ λύπης 2 Corinthians 9:7

Δεβένιος, Thank you for your time. Before continuing, I have to say that this is a very minor difference and not at all critical for faith and morals, yet I do find it interesting. True, I see Greek as a code to be translated, yet in this thread including the BDAG lexical entry, I see no support for...
by living_manna
September 15th, 2022, 1:51 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: ἐκ λύπης 2 Corinthians 9:7
Replies: 10
Views: 45284

Re: ἐκ λύπης 2 Corinthians 9:7

Jason, thanks so much for pointing me to DBAG. (The reference to Aesop’s fable Ἀετὸς καὶ ἀλώπηξ containing ἐκ τῆς λύπης especially convinced me that ἐκ λύπης literally means pain or sorrow.) Yet it seems too much of an interpretation to say ‘reluctant,’ although a reasonable interpretation. I see no...
by living_manna
September 13th, 2022, 8:31 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: ἐκ λύπης 2 Corinthians 9:7
Replies: 10
Views: 45284

ἐκ λύπης 2 Corinthians 9:7

Why does ἐκ λύπης mean reluctantly or grudgingly according to most translations, instead of out of pain?

2 Corinthians 9:7
ἕκαστος καθὼς προῄρηται τῇ καρδίᾳ, μὴ ἐκ λύπης ἢ ἐξ ἀνάγκης; ἱλαρὸν γὰρ δότην ἀγαπᾷ ὁ Θεός.

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