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by Alan Bunning
December 30th, 2017, 9:27 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Bunning Heuristic Prototype Greek New Testament
Replies: 2
Views: 385

Re: Bunning Heuristic Prototype Greek New Testament

The short answer is that the algorithms take quite a bit to explain, more than I would want to write here. That would probably be a nice topic for a paper that I could publish. The algorithm was not rigorously applied in making this text anyway, which it why it is only a prototype. Unfortunately, I ...
by Alan Bunning
December 29th, 2017, 7:50 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Bunning Heuristic Prototype Greek New Testament
Replies: 2
Views: 385

Bunning Heuristic Prototype Greek New Testament

In case you are looking for yet another critical text, the CNTR has released a preliminary draft of the Bunning Heuristic Prototype (BHP) Greek New Testament under a CC-BY-SA license. The introduction and data files are located for free download at https://greekcntr.org/resources.htm . This draft co...
by Alan Bunning
December 20th, 2017, 3:44 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 2421

Re: Dative case as the direct object?

Jonathan Robie wrote:
December 20th, 2017, 3:24 pm
The more useful question is this: what does the Greek mean, and how do we best represent it?
Agreed, and there are probably several different ways to do that depending on your goals.
by Alan Bunning
December 20th, 2017, 3:22 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 2421

Re: Dative case as the direct object?

I like the fact that I could easily query to find instances of dative or genitive objects. I don't think calling some of these complements would make it easier to query or understand. I don't think calling some of these obliques would make it easier to query or understand, and it would make it hard...
by Alan Bunning
December 19th, 2017, 1:32 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 2421

Re: Dative case as the direct object?

But how do you know for sure how the Greeks thought of it? That's not something we can get from your intuition or mine, and rewording English translations in more stilted English prose or more abstract metalanguage does not make it more like how the Greeks thought. Yes, again I think that is the po...
by Alan Bunning
December 19th, 2017, 12:50 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 2421

Re: Dative case as the direct object?

Consider Mark 5:31 Τίς μου ἥψατο; That is a perfectly good example. It is hard to think of it as anything but transitive according to our English notions. But that does not mean the Greeks thought of it that way. Or that a different language would for that matter. In English, to say “He touched of ...
by Alan Bunning
December 18th, 2017, 9:03 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 2421

Re: Dative case as the direct object?

Some other thoughts. I have notice that this phenomenon also occurs with the genitive case. Consider Matt. 17:5 ἀκούετε αὐτοῦ translated “be hearing him”, with “him” normally being translated as a direct object in English. But again, this could be considered an example of imposing our English ideas ...
by Alan Bunning
December 14th, 2017, 12:41 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 2421

Re: Dative case as the direct object?

Barry Hofstetter wrote:
December 14th, 2017, 12:31 pm
For Matthew 6:15, quite a few manuscripts add τὰ παραπτώματα αὐτῶν. As it is, they should be supplied by way of elipsis from vs. 14.
I should have picked a better example such as Matthew 18:21 where there is no accusative in the picture. There are many examples that demonstrate my point.
by Alan Bunning
December 14th, 2017, 11:16 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 2421

Dative case as the direct object?

The dative case is normally associated with an indirect object. But many grammars state that for some verbs the dative case is the direct object, for words involving trusting, obeying, serving, worshipping, thanksgiving, belief, following, rebuking, helping, pleasing, commanding, etc. However, it is...
by Alan Bunning
December 12th, 2017, 7:28 pm
Forum: Software
Topic: CNTR Greek Character Utility
Replies: 3
Views: 443

Re: CNTR Greek Character Utility

Jonathan Robie wrote:
December 12th, 2017, 7:14 pm
Is there a corresponding command-line tool?
No, it is just an on-line web-based tool written in javascript.