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by Philemon Zachariou
August 9th, 2011, 12:58 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 11611

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

… and as I pointed out earlier, E before the 5th c. BC was used for what later was represented by E, Η, and ΕΙ. In Socrates’ time the introduction of H interfered with E (which still represented [ε] and ). If you think that Socrates’ mention of ΕΙ is simply the name of Epsilon [ε], then you will con...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 8th, 2011, 11:20 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 11611

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Jason, The reason we seem to be going around the roses is that there are two parts to what Socrates is saying. The first part is what you and I hear the same way, I am sure. And that is, the names of three different letters. Granted. The point of departure is in interpretation—that is, in what one a...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 8th, 2011, 2:30 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 11611

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Jason, Your response is impressive (minus its austere tone). I will not dwell on this issue, as my point also has been repeated several times. That is, what we glean from Cratylos (418b-c) is that I, EI, H are pronounced similarly or identically. I am sure that you as well as the "OTHERS" you mentio...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 8th, 2011, 9:45 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 11611

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Following the Greek dark ages brought about by the Dorians, from the 7th c. BC to the beginning of the inscriptions period (600 BC) a spirit of national consolidation began to form in Greece and the Greeks became aware of the need to organize a system of a national education. As the basis for learni...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 8th, 2011, 3:19 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 11611

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

My semi-facetious comment earlier regarding ἡμέρα leads me to restate my position: The Athenians in Socrates’ day confused ΕΙ(ει), Η(η) and Ι(ι): νῦν δὲ ἀντὶ μὲν τοῦ ἰῶτα, ἢ εἶ ἢ ἦτα μεταστρέφουσιν … οἱ μὲν ἀρχαιότατοι ἱμέραν τὴν ἡμέραν ἐκάλουν οἱ δὲ (ὕστερον) εἱμέραν, οἱ δὲ νῦν ἡμέραν by way of say...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 7th, 2011, 8:48 pm
Forum: Policies
Topic: Policy: No URLs (links) in signatures
Replies: 4
Views: 2308

Re: Policy: No URLs (links) in signatures

I am glad you pointed this out to me. A couple of times I half-consciously questioned my inclusion of a link to my website.
Please know I will honor your alerting me to this.

Sincerely,

Philemon Zachariou
by Philemon Zachariou
August 7th, 2011, 1:26 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 11611

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

We must be fair, though, by putting equal weight on this part of the equation as you did on ημέρα:

νῦν δὲ ἀντὶ μὲν τοῦ ἰῶτα ἢ εἶ ἢ ἦτα μεταστρέφουσιν

ει = η = ι

Philemon
by Philemon Zachariou
August 6th, 2011, 7:33 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 11611

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Ημερα~Εμερα certainly dialectal, just as Doric α for Ionic η.
Νῦν φίλε οἶσθα οὐκ ἐκ σελήνης Σωκράτης ἀλλ᾽ Ἕλλην Ἀθηναῖος.

Philemon Zachariou
by Philemon Zachariou
August 6th, 2011, 1:06 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 11611

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

So I will not be mistaken, I have cut and pasted your two last previous remarks: 1. First you said: “sorry, but it is not a fact that H was pronounced as I.” 2. Then you said: “I don't have a problem with occasional examples of Hta with Iota.” Now you are saying you were talking about Iota and Epsil...
by Philemon Zachariou
August 6th, 2011, 4:49 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 11611

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Thus, the equalization of ει, η, ι in classical Greek, regardless of numbers (or degree of consistency), is an established fact a linguist cannot ignore sorry, but it is not a fact that H was pronounced as I. the fact is that the ancients had two words IMERA and EMERA that meant the same thing. the...