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by Jonathan Robie
May 23rd, 2020, 9:09 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 784

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

The average NT student with seminary level Greek will not get it. Can you translate? What difference does this make in our understanding of the text, our exegesis of the text, and how we might explain it to a congregation or or Bible study? I'm not sure, but let me try. This thread seems to be disc...
by Jonathan Robie
May 23rd, 2020, 8:32 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 784

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

I have both Levinsohn's Discourse Analysis, which identifies left-dislocation, and a set of syntax trees. I need to do a little monkeying to make their reference systems compatible, but I can probably get to that in the next week and give this a shot. There's some danger that this is specific enoug...
by Jonathan Robie
May 22nd, 2020, 4:32 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 784

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

So the hypothesis to test is purely about word order, and under this hypothesis A ἐστιν B => A is the predicate, A B ἐστιν => B is the predicate, and any nominative finite form of ἐστιν will do? Almost. You ask a very good question. Under the framework that Mike and I have been working with for a n...
by Jonathan Robie
May 21st, 2020, 2:24 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 784

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

Stephen Carlson wrote:
May 19th, 2020, 3:36 am
Personally, I think that the topic structure of the discourse is more important than ambiguous syntactic clues, so I am leaning toward Wallace's "other hand," but I'm curious about people's thoughts.
I agree. But I'm happy to do queries if someone wants to propose syntactic clues here ...
by Jonathan Robie
May 21st, 2020, 2:21 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 784

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

I updated this to give an overview of the questions as I currently understand them, looking at word order and providing a separate section limited to clitic forms.
Clitics and Predicates.pdf
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by Jonathan Robie
May 21st, 2020, 1:15 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 784

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

Here are some examples where some form of ἐστιν occurs before the predicate (S ἐστιν P, ἐστιν P S, ἐστιν S P, ἐστιν P S) . I restricted this to cases where (1) there is an explicit subject, and (2) the subject is not an interrogative. I did not restrict this to clitic forms because of the John 1:1 e...
by Jonathan Robie
May 21st, 2020, 12:18 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 784

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

Good call. I believe they do, but it would be worthwhile double-checking to see if A B ἐστιν means that B is in the predicate/assertion. And what would you expect if A is in the predicate/assertion? I may play with this ... You mean, like John 1:1c καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος? So the hypothesis to test is ...
by Jonathan Robie
May 21st, 2020, 9:13 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 784

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

If ἐστιν clitics behave the way pronominal ones do, then [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν is the natural predicate/assertion. Good call. I believe they do, but it would be worthwhile double-checking to see if A B ἐστιν means that B is in the predicate/assertion. And what would you expect if A is in the predicate/...
by Jonathan Robie
May 20th, 2020, 2:40 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)
Replies: 15
Views: 474

Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

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by Jonathan Robie
May 20th, 2020, 2:39 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)
Replies: 15
Views: 474

Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

FWIW, here is Hatch & Redpath's entry on κατέχειν, which shows which Hebrew words it translates for various meanings. Because of the way attachments work here, I will do this in two messages.

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