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by Jonathan Robie
August 16th, 2019, 4:09 pm
Forum: Software
Topic: Microsoft Word macro to convert BibleWorks Greek font to Unicode
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Re: Microsoft Word macro to convert BibleWorks Greek font to Unicode

It occurs to me as I write that I may be venturing out of bounds by advertising. Perhaps I should check forum policies before posting. Well, yes, our rules do say you need to ask before advertising , and I would appreciate it if people would please do that. No advertisements or job-postings are all...
by Jonathan Robie
August 7th, 2019, 12:31 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 12433

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

One might add that in the Dutch-authored Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek [2017] time in the Greek indicative is presented matter-of-factly without doubt or quibble, 33:1-3. In the CGCC Bibliography, admittedly restricted rather than comprehensive and maximal, B. Fanning is listed with his 1990...
by Jonathan Robie
August 6th, 2019, 4:44 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 12433

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

2. Students sometimes think that because the discussions keep continuing in NT Greek forums that there is reliable support for the aspect-only theory as a viable theory. Actually, that "support" is based on carefully picked starting hypotheses plus an echo-chamber effect (that has not adequately an...
by Jonathan Robie
August 6th, 2019, 4:12 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 12433

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Here are Campbell's examples from Basics of Verbal Aspect in Biblical Greek: Future Aorist More commonly, the aorist tense-form may be used in future-referring contexts. Two of these are straightforward. Mark 11:24 διὰ τοῦτο λέγω ὑμῖν, πάντα ὅσα προσεύχεσθε καὶ αἰτεῖσθε, πιστεύετε ὅτι ἐλάβετε , καὶ...
by Jonathan Robie
August 4th, 2019, 3:31 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 12433

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

The author's counter to that was an appeal to Porter and his tenseless Greek verb theory. !!! SNIP !!! And as crank as I believe this whole thesis to be; it does give me pause, because I haven't adequately explored this particular issue. I'd like to find a way to test this theory based on grammar a...
by Jonathan Robie
August 3rd, 2019, 6:11 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 12433

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
August 3rd, 2019, 5:52 pm
It's dangerous to interpret Porter without further context, but I wonder how he can translate it with English continuous tense ("are seeking") if aspect is important.
I assume that Porter is (correctly) treating ἐζήτουν as imperfect, which would have a continuous aspect.
by Jonathan Robie
August 3rd, 2019, 6:06 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 12433

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Let me look at what he calls the clearest example: Here's the excerpt that discusses the use of proleptic aorist (restricted to the sense of emphasizing the completeness of a future event): Perhaps the clearest example is Jude 1:14: ...ἰδοὺ ἦλθεν κύριος ἐν ἁγίαις μυριάσιν αὐτοῦ (behold, the Lord is ...
by Jonathan Robie
August 3rd, 2019, 4:55 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 12433

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

The thing is: Everyone knew about examples like these before 1989 and everyone knew that there was a coersion of temporal reference in them. Grammars talked about them regularly, but just put them in different categories. The only thing that Porter really did was provide a different explanation for...
by Jonathan Robie
August 3rd, 2019, 4:26 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 12433

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Constantine Campbell (Advances in the Study of Greek, pg 122) states the following regarding "Future Aorist", but provides no examples: "Perfective aspect with any lexeme in a present referring context can implicate a future aorist. More common than the present aorist, this is another special funct...

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