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by Jonathan Robie
January 16th, 2018, 6:14 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 1031

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

I am not convinced that J. 6.38(A), ὅτι καταβέβηκα ἀπὸ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ, is an independent clause since it's a ὅτι clause. Perhaps I speak ignorantly here, but can a clause that begins w. ὅτι stand "independent" of the previous statement that it is explicating? I plan to go back & reread this more close...
by Jonathan Robie
January 15th, 2018, 11:12 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 1031

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

From the perspective of text linguistics and discourse analysis, clauses (B) and (C) are tied in with (A) and both flow from (A). (A) ὅτι καταβέβηκα ἀπὸ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ (B) οὐχ ἵνα ποιῶ τὸ θέλημα τὸ ἐμὸν (C) ἀλλὰ τὸ θέλημα τοῦ πέμψαντός με Here's one problem I see with his reasoning on the basis of syn...
by Jonathan Robie
January 15th, 2018, 9:51 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Heb. 12:4
Replies: 2
Views: 133

Re: Heb. 12:4

Is there any reason to say that it is actually a note on the part of the author of Hebrews to his (?) readers that they have not yet engaged in, but are perhaps on the brink of, the taking of someone else's life? Are you suggesting that there is? If so, what reason would you give to see it that way?
by Jonathan Robie
January 15th, 2018, 8:53 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 1031

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

I said, "“From what I understand (again, I am only Greek II), it's important to remember that in substantive uses of the participle, the idea of time or even aspect is rather in the background. And this is a substantival participle, functioning as a noun, and that's really all it does. It isn't act...
by Jonathan Robie
January 15th, 2018, 8:16 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 1031

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

Okay, got it. I recently purchased Cambpell's work on verbal aspect: https://www.olivetree.com/store/product.php?productid=34141 I like Dr. Campbell's teaching style, but will definitely look into Rijksbaron. Just be aware that Campbell's understanding of the verb differs significantly from that of...
by Jonathan Robie
January 14th, 2018, 11:16 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 1031

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

Robertson is hard to read, but an excellent source of examples to illustrate most things, and really quite good if you learn to read him. Not the first place to learn new concept, but perhaps a great place to look for the examples once you have read an easier explanation elsewhere. Find 2-3 grammars...
by Jonathan Robie
January 14th, 2018, 10:51 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Minimal Pairs for Greek Phonology
Replies: 13
Views: 477

Re: Minimal Pairs for Greek Phonology

Yes, morphology doesn't match phonology perfectly. καινος and κενος have a Levenshtein distance of 2 but phonologically identical (in imperial/modern); then ἑνος is a 'minimal pair' with both of them phonologically, but 3 edits from καινος. Excellent examples. To get the result Jonathan originally ...
by Jonathan Robie
January 12th, 2018, 6:29 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Minimal Pairs for Greek Phonology
Replies: 13
Views: 477

Re: Minimal Pairs for Greek Phonology

Since Dirk's notebook provides the code but not the data, I decided to post the data separately. And that somehow turned into a blog post, which you can read here:

Minimal Pairs for Greek and Hebrew

Thanks again to Dirk for his solution!
by Jonathan Robie
January 12th, 2018, 12:05 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 1031

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

But, slowly sinking in (as seems to be the case in general w. Greek for me)! That's how you learn languages. They sink in slowly over time. I think these two sections of Funk might be helpful, providing many more examples: THE PARTICIPLE IN NOMINAL WORD CLUSTERS THE CIRCUMSTANTIAL (ADVERBIAL) PARTI...
by Jonathan Robie
January 11th, 2018, 6:16 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: New member - Lee Redd
Replies: 1
Views: 65

Re: New member - Lee Redd

Welcome to B-Greek, Lee!