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by Barry Hofstetter
March 8th, 2022, 12:25 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Luke 4:30 -- ἐπορεύετο
Replies: 9
Views: 6441

Re: Luke 4:30 -- ἐπορεύετο

εἰς τὸν ἀγρὸν εἰσελθόντες ἐπόνουν . Entering the field, they began to work . Would that not be better translated as "having entered the field, they began to work"? Using an English present participle ("entering") would imply that they were working at the same time as they were e...
by Barry Hofstetter
March 4th, 2022, 9:33 am
Forum: Introductions
Topic: its all greek to me
Replies: 3
Views: 4162

Re: its all greek to me

Welcome, Daniel. My advice is to systematically work through one beginning grammar. Athenaze would be best. It is great preparation for reading Attic Greek, of course, but if you can read Attic, the NT is no problem.
by Barry Hofstetter
February 24th, 2022, 4:07 pm
Forum: Announcements, Questions, and Policies
Topic: Shirley Rollinson
Replies: 5
Views: 4092

Shirley Rollinson

Shirley's beloved husband of many years recently passed away. Feel free to send your condolences directly to her or post them here. And of course for those of us who believe in the power of prayer, we are praying much for you and yours, Shirley.
by Barry Hofstetter
February 23rd, 2022, 7:22 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: dative of things possessed?
Replies: 11
Views: 6157

Re: dative of things possessed?

We’re not talking about the “dative of possession,” which is not uncommon, but the “dative of the thing possessed,” which is kind of the opposite (the dative marking not the possessor but the possessum) and rare. I’m 85% sure it’s a bogus category. I am not able to find it in any grammar that I hav...
by Barry Hofstetter
February 23rd, 2022, 11:27 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: dative of things possessed?
Replies: 11
Views: 6157

Re: dative of things possessed?

The dative of possession may be rare or non-existent in the GNT, but it's pretty common elsewhere in ancient Greek. We’re not talking about the “dative of possession,” which is not uncommon, but the “dative of the thing possessed,” which is kind of the opposite (the dative marking not the possessor...
by Barry Hofstetter
February 22nd, 2022, 11:28 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: dative of things possessed?
Replies: 11
Views: 6157

Re: dative of things possessed?

The dative of possession may be rare or non-existent in the GNT, but it's pretty common elsewhere in ancient Greek. Here is how it's introduced in Crosby and Schaeffer, my beginning Greek text: Dative of possession . In English we say There is no lid to the box . The Latin says Puero est gladius, th...
by Barry Hofstetter
February 19th, 2022, 3:48 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: intro
Replies: 2
Views: 3947

Re: intro

Welcome, David.
by Barry Hofstetter
February 2nd, 2022, 5:00 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
Replies: 24
Views: 7410

Re: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"

A slight difference in wording does not necessarily mean a difference in content. Barry, do you believe it would be incorrect Greek to say the following in order to describe the three questions Jesus asked? λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ πρώτον Σίμων Ἰωάννου, ἀγαπᾷς με πλέον τούτων; λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ δεύτερον Σίμων Ἰωά...
by Barry Hofstetter
January 31st, 2022, 12:58 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
Replies: 24
Views: 7410

Re: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"

Dear Barry, Thank you very much for your reminding and advice and explanation. I know I need to work harder on Greek. You told me that "the third time " means that Jesus said the same content as before. But it seems to me otherwise when I look into the text and other related text. Could y...
by Barry Hofstetter
January 31st, 2022, 12:56 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"
Replies: 24
Views: 7410

Re: John 21:17 "λέγει αὐτῷ τὸ τρίτον· Σίμων Ἰωάννου, φιλεῖς με (Joh 21:17 BGT)"

But that doesn't mean there is no distinction between these two words. In this passage, I really do think both Peter and Jesus saw a meaningful distinction between these two words as used in the questions Jesus asked and the answers Peter gave (as I said in my previous post). The whole flow of this...

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