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by Ken M. Penner
February 6th, 2020, 2:30 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians
Replies: 23
Views: 705

Re: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians

Is this a reference to nephilim? ὡς τοὺς γίγαντας, πάλιν θεομαχοῦντας αὐτοὺς ὁρῶ . see in them the giants again fighting against God. I see a closer connection with Origen: In the next place, desiring to point out the enigmas, our mistakes regarding which lead to the introduction of our views conce...
by Ken M. Penner
February 4th, 2020, 9:19 am
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek
Replies: 7
Views: 373

Re: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek

For what it's worth, my first attempt at a translation (from Milik's text) into Greek is quite different from yours: Ιδετε οτι παντα τα δενδρα τα οφθεντα ὑμιν φθινουσιν (24.4) και πιπτουσιν παντα τα φυλλα αυτων, απο δεκα τεσσαρων δενδρων ὡν τα φυλλα αυτων μενουσιν μεχρι δυο η τρεις ετη παραβαινουσι...
by Ken M. Penner
February 3rd, 2020, 4:14 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek
Replies: 7
Views: 373

Re: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek

For those who are interested, the Aramaic is as follows (taken from The Dead Sea Scrolls Study Edition , 4Q201 column 2 lines 4-6): חזו דכל אילניה כלהן מיבישין ברא מן ארבעת עסר אילנין דעליהן מתקימין עד דתרתין ותלת שנין יעברן A useful resource for this task is Milik's The Books of Enoch . There you ...
by Ken M. Penner
December 12th, 2019, 9:31 am
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Why is αρχή plural in Genesis 1:16?
Replies: 4
Views: 424

Re: Why is αρχή plural in Genesis 1:16?

timothy_p_mcmahon wrote:
December 12th, 2019, 3:41 am
Is it possible the LXX translators read memshelet as memshalot and took that as a plural form?
That is correct.
Wevers, Notes on the Greek Text of Genesis wrote:
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Genesis 1.16
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by Ken M. Penner
November 27th, 2019, 3:12 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Koine NT in UNCIAL script ONLINE
Replies: 5
Views: 768

Re: Koine NT in UNCIAL script ONLINE

Like Jonathan, I'm not entirely sure if this what you're asking, but you might try Alan Bunning's Center for New Testament Restoration at https://greekcntr.org/collation/index.htm
by Ken M. Penner
November 23rd, 2019, 11:37 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: Declension of foreign names --- Judith 2:24
Replies: 4
Views: 881

Re: Declension of foreign names --- Judith 2:24

Judith 2:24 mentions a brook called Abrona: "ἐπὶ τοῦ χειμάρρου Αβρωνα". As I understand it Abrona is here in the genitive, but not inflected (asa foreign name). Most translators and commentators nevertheless calls the brook Abron, and sometimes one sees Abronas. Neither of these, as far as I could ...
by Ken M. Penner
November 21st, 2019, 2:34 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: 2 Esdras 4
Replies: 2
Views: 633

Re: 2 Esdras 4

That part is translated from Latin; it didn't survive in Greek or Hebrew.
by Ken M. Penner
November 7th, 2019, 9:15 am
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Christian 'corruption' of Psalms 14/53 to match Romans 3:10-18
Replies: 17
Views: 1535

Re: Christian 'corruption' of Psalms 14/53 to match Romans 3:10-18

Right. That's the scholarly consensus. Harmonization happened in Psalm 13[14]... Apparently I'm a little behind the times regarding "the scholarly consensus" on this issue. This article reflects more recent research: Karrer, Martin, and Ulrich Schmid. “Old Testament Quotations in the New Testament ...
by Ken M. Penner
November 7th, 2019, 7:30 am
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Christian 'corruption' of Psalms 14/53 to match Romans 3:10-18
Replies: 17
Views: 1535

Re: Christian 'corruption' of Psalms 14/53 to match Romans 3:10-18

I think one of the points in the video was that Paul was doing precisely this; and that this patchwork quote was then interpolated into the Psalms in codices S and B. So ultimately, you agree with this thesis vis-àvis Psalm 13[14}, but you don't think this is evidence that such harmonization happen...
by Ken M. Penner
November 6th, 2019, 10:13 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Christian 'corruption' of Psalms 14/53 to match Romans 3:10-18
Replies: 17
Views: 1535

Re: Christian 'corruption' of Psalms 14/53 to match Romans 3:10-18

Also, Ἰσραήλ seems to be represented by 2 distinct nominem sacra - ΙΣΛ (4 lines from the end) and ΙΗΛ (at the end). Is that correct? Or am I misreading? Right. The nomen sacrum for Israel is not entirely consistent. It seems easy to explain why they would be omitted in A - either in deference to th...

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