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by Ken M. Penner
March 23rd, 2020, 8:01 am
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Who was loathed in Exodus 1:12?
Replies: 4
Views: 130

Re: Who was loathed in Exodus 1:12?

Exactly; thanks, Barry.
Phillip, if you want to retain the passive-looking form, you can think of βδελύσσομαι as "I am disgusted". Εβδελύσσοντο would correspond to "the Egyptians were disgusted by the sons of Israel."
by Ken M. Penner
March 21st, 2020, 3:56 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Who was loathed in Exodus 1:12?
Replies: 4
Views: 130

Re: Who was loathed in Exodus 1:12?

Εβδελύσσοντο is middle/passive. And I understand the ἀπὸ + genitive construction can be interpreted as cause (because of) or agency (by) (Wallace, GGBB, 368). The NETS translation translates it as follows: "and the Egyptians were disgusted with the sons of Israel." This would, I'm guessing, be simi...
by Ken M. Penner
March 19th, 2020, 2:39 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek
Replies: 19
Views: 733

Re: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek

For those interested, a transcription of the Aramaic of Enoch from among the Dead Sea Scrolls manuscripts is available on Google books (at least for a few of the manuscripts anyway): I was using the transcription from Pseudepigrapha.org (of which I am co-director). At https://pseudepigrapha.org/doc...
by Ken M. Penner
March 19th, 2020, 2:03 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek
Replies: 19
Views: 733

Re: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek

S Walch wrote:
March 19th, 2020, 1:50 pm
Guess the only thing missing from this is a translation for the Aramaic כויתא/burn.
To keep with the verb κατακαίω, would the participle καιομένην work?
καὶ ὑμεῖς σκιάν καὶ ἀπόκρυφα ἐρωτᾶτε ἐνώπιον αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τὴν καιομένην γῆν.
Perfect! Thanks.
by Ken M. Penner
March 19th, 2020, 1:25 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek
Replies: 19
Views: 733

Re: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek

Ken, maybe you are including some vocabulary as used in the LXX, but from my sense of the Greek: 1) ζητεῖτε rather than ἐρωτᾶτε. ἐρωτάω normally means "seek" in the sense of asking for information. 2) δύνασθε instead of καταλήψεσθε, which I have trouble seeing in the sense of "be able." 3) θυμοῦ --...
by Ken M. Penner
March 19th, 2020, 9:33 am
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek
Replies: 19
Views: 733

Re: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek

Would someone please share advice on my translation of 1 Enoch 4:1? Again, I translated it from the Aramaic, as 4:1 is not extant in the Greek witnesses of 1 Enoch. Is it good Greek? Any suggestions? I have translated it as follows: ιδετε την θερειαν πως καυματιζεν και διεθέρμαινεν ο ηλιος και ζητε...
by Ken M. Penner
March 5th, 2020, 9:34 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek
Replies: 19
Views: 733

Re: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek

PhillipLebsack wrote:
March 5th, 2020, 8:26 pm
Were you using Milk's glossary and research in your translation, or was it just a first-glance type of translation from his transcription?
I was using Milik’s glossary and research.
by Ken M. Penner
February 6th, 2020, 2:30 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians
Replies: 27
Views: 1070

Re: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians

Is this a reference to nephilim? ὡς τοὺς γίγαντας, πάλιν θεομαχοῦντας αὐτοὺς ὁρῶ . see in them the giants again fighting against God. I see a closer connection with Origen: In the next place, desiring to point out the enigmas, our mistakes regarding which lead to the introduction of our views conce...
by Ken M. Penner
February 4th, 2020, 9:19 am
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek
Replies: 19
Views: 733

Re: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek

For what it's worth, my first attempt at a translation (from Milik's text) into Greek is quite different from yours: Ιδετε οτι παντα τα δενδρα τα οφθεντα ὑμιν φθινουσιν (24.4) και πιπτουσιν παντα τα φυλλα αυτων, απο δεκα τεσσαρων δενδρων ὡν τα φυλλα αυτων μενουσιν μεχρι δυο η τρεις ετη παραβαινουσι...
by Ken M. Penner
February 3rd, 2020, 4:14 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek
Replies: 19
Views: 733

Re: Translating a Second Temple Aramaic text into Greek

For those who are interested, the Aramaic is as follows (taken from The Dead Sea Scrolls Study Edition , 4Q201 column 2 lines 4-6): חזו דכל אילניה כלהן מיבישין ברא מן ארבעת עסר אילנין דעליהן מתקימין עד דתרתין ותלת שנין יעברן A useful resource for this task is Milik's The Books of Enoch . There you ...

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