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by RandallButh
May 24th, 2020, 5:15 pm
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek
Replies: 16
Views: 654

Re: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek

Rather, our goal is to prescribe a standard which is not necessarily a-historical, but also achieves other pedagogical goals I assume that you have read the discussion on goals and criteria for pronunciation choice in the PDF at www.biblicallanguagecenter.com ? https://www.biblicallanguagecenter.co...
by RandallButh
May 24th, 2020, 2:27 am
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek
Replies: 16
Views: 654

Re: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek

FWIW: Here is a transcription of the inscription. Spelling is preserved, punctuation and numbering has been added. Photos are available on line. 1 Διάταγμα Καίσαρος ἀρέσκει μοι τάφους τύνβους τε, οἵτινες εἰς θρησκείαν προγόνων ἐποίησαν ἢ τέκνων ἢ οἰκείων, 5 τούτους μένειν ἀμετακεινήτους τὸν αἰῶνα. ἐ...
by RandallButh
May 23rd, 2020, 7:22 pm
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek
Replies: 16
Views: 654

Re: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek

I think we can all acknowledge that Ancient Greek was no more monolithic than Modern Greek with respect to dialects and accents. At the end of the day, we're forced to restrict our examination to a small sample of texts produced by a small minority of literate people. The focus needs to be on phone...
by RandallButh
May 23rd, 2020, 12:07 pm
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek
Replies: 16
Views: 654

Re: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek

You have shown highly compelling pieces of evidence for the losing of phonemic vowel length during the Koine Period, but οδε κιτε for ωδε κειται doesn't happen to be one of them, first because ι could be short or long, such as ἀποκρί̄νεται vs ἀπόκρισις, and also because the spelling of ο for ω, jus...
by RandallButh
May 18th, 2020, 4:43 pm
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek
Replies: 16
Views: 654

Re: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek

PPS: Ben Kantor, on this list, has been busy collecting all the epigraphical evidence (primarily Judean/Palaistinian) in a data-base for a future book.
He may have something to say on this, too.
by RandallButh
May 18th, 2020, 4:35 pm
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek
Replies: 16
Views: 654

Re: The 'Lucian Pronunciation' of Koine Greek

Briefly, the λουκιανὴ προφορά is a serious endeavor and moving in the right general direction. But two general points seem misguided: 1. Λουκιανή focusses on subphonemics , sounds that do not differentiate meaning. I addressed many of these in footnotes in various places. Yes, π, τ, κ should be pron...
by RandallButh
May 2nd, 2020, 1:54 pm
Forum: Bible Study Software
Topic: Typing Tutor for Ancient Greek
Replies: 14
Views: 385

Re: Typing Tutor for Ancient Greek

I use the Hebrew SIL mapping. That is exactly what I would recommend NOT doing. There are millions of keyboards around the world used interchangeably by Hebrew speakers. When I type in anything on any Hebrew speaker's computer it comes up correct Hebrew without thinking. Story: once upon a time [bu...
by RandallButh
May 2nd, 2020, 3:41 am
Forum: Bible Study Software
Topic: Typing Tutor for Ancient Greek
Replies: 14
Views: 385

Re: Typing Tutor for Ancient Greek

I would recommend that you activate the Polytonic keyboard that is already in the Mac or PC system. It is the Greek national keyboard. Then you will have a standard anywhere you travel in the world, on any machine. (PS: there are minor accent differences between PC and Mac). You don't want to learn ...
by RandallButh
April 21st, 2020, 2:20 pm
Forum: Resources
Topic: Biblingo - communicative instruction at an affordable price
Replies: 5
Views: 362

Re: Biblingo - communicative instruction at an affordable price

It is good to hear that you are enjoying the interface and working on Hebrew. As one concerned for quality language instruction, there are a couple of caveats . When it comes to default word order Biblingo follows an extreme minority position that I would say bluntly is wrong. Hebrew is not an S-V l...
by RandallButh
April 14th, 2020, 8:00 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Are "Yeshu" and "Yeshua" translated identically in Greek as "Jesus"?
Replies: 11
Views: 389

Re: Are "Yeshu" and "Yeshua" translated identically in Greek as "Jesus"?

As far as I'm aware, both the furtive patach and the final ayin lost pronunciation in Galilean Hebrew at the time, Not true. However, there were Greek speakers who did not pronounce `ayin or Het. See Bar Kochba letters for some examples. FTR, when the Arabs came through in the 7th century and trans...

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