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by rhutchin
September 16th, 2017, 8:18 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Romans 3:12 - Substantival Participle
Replies: 2
Views: 404

Romans 3:12 - Substantival Participle

Romans 3:12 οὐκ ἐστιν ὁ ποιων χρηστοτητα οὐκ ἐστιν ἑως ἑνος. This was explained to me in this manner, "As for the Psalmist, Paul, when he quotes him, uses a substantival participle… i.e. nobody always does good. One rotten egg soils the batch." This was said to oppose the position that the verse sho...
by rhutchin
October 7th, 2015, 7:55 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Ephesians 1:11 - ένεργοῦντος
Replies: 4
Views: 522

Re: Ephesians 1:11 - ένεργοῦντος

You have answered my question in saying, "Both of the elements of this translation "work with" and "all things" are very vague and open to a lot of interpretation." When you ask, "Are you asking whether the meaning of the Greek is more or less covered by that English (approximate rendering), whether...
by rhutchin
October 6th, 2015, 8:54 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Ephesians 1:11 - ένεργοῦντος
Replies: 4
Views: 522

Ephesians 1:11 - ένεργοῦντος

Ephesians 1:11 ἐν ῷ και ἐκληρωθημεν προορισθεντες κατα προθεσιν τοῦ τα παντα ἐνεργοῦντος κατα την βουλην τοῦ θεληματος αυτοῦ Someone has proposed this as a possible translation: "by whom we have been called according to a plan of the one who is working with all things according to the intention of H...
by rhutchin
January 9th, 2013, 1:44 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Acts 13:48 - Subordinate Clause
Replies: 15
Views: 2734

Re: Acts 13:48 - Subordinate Clause

Finally, as Stephen pointed out right at the beginning, the text itself does not grammatically necessitate causation in either direction, but simply identity of the two descriptions; the ones who believed were as many as (the same as) the ones who had been appointed for eternal life. If you just gi...
by rhutchin
January 8th, 2013, 2:35 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Acts 13:48 - Subordinate Clause
Replies: 15
Views: 2734

Re: Acts 13:48 - Subordinate Clause

Acts 13:48 includes this: και ἐπιστευσαν ὁσοι ἡσαν τεταγμενοι εἰσζην αἰωνιον Someone explained this verse thusly, "οσοι (all who, a subgroup of a previously identified main group) introduces a subordinate clause, but "believed" is in the main clause. In the subordinate clause (including οσοι) there...
by rhutchin
January 8th, 2013, 2:26 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Acts 13:48 - Subordinate Clause
Replies: 15
Views: 2734

Re: Acts 13:48 - Subordinate Clause

Dear Friends, ἐπίστευσαν belongs to the main clause and is the predicate, followed by a subordinate clause that describes the already believing gentiles as such being appointed to eternal life. I'd say, that believe is forefronted and the appointment is the result of it. Right ? Yours Peter, German...
by rhutchin
January 8th, 2013, 2:23 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Acts 13:48 - Subordinate Clause
Replies: 15
Views: 2734

Re: Acts 13:48 - Subordinate Clause

Well, I can't tell just by looking at it whether ἡσαν τεταγμενοι is a passive or middle. The middle-passive form means that the subject was affected (i.e. was the patient or theme of this verb) but it does not say anything about the agent. Here again, I fear the temptation is too great to go beyond...
by rhutchin
January 8th, 2013, 9:10 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Acts 13:48 - Subordinate Clause
Replies: 15
Views: 2734

Re: Acts 13:48 - Subordinate Clause

Note the Middle Voice here: και ἐπιστευσαν ὁσοι ἡσαν τεταγμενοι εἰσζην αἰωνιον There are better English words and phrases to capture the sense of ἡσαν τεταγμενοι than appointed . One wooden translation is: They put/arranged/positioned themselves into an orderly formation . This I believe captures t...
by rhutchin
January 7th, 2013, 8:48 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Acts 13:48 - Subordinate Clause
Replies: 15
Views: 2734

Acts 13:48 - Subordinate Clause

Acts 13:48 includes this: και ἐπιστευσαν ὁσοι ἡσαν τεταγμενοι εἰσζην αἰωνιον Someone explained this verse thusly, "οσοι (all who, a subgroup of a previously identified main group) introduces a subordinate clause, but "believed" is in the main clause. In the subordinate clause (including οσοι) there ...
by rhutchin
December 30th, 2012, 11:07 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Romans 8:29 - ὁτι οὑς προεγνω
Replies: 3
Views: 1055

Romans 8:29 - ὁτι οὑς προεγνω

The phrase - ὁτι οὑς προεγνω - appears in Romans 8:29. Without regard to context, how would one understand προεγνω as singular indicative aorist active. Would it normally refer to some unique individual (or group) who lived in the past? Can the surrounding context (not Romans 8:29, necessarily, unle...