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by Jordan Day
June 8th, 2014, 9:18 pm
Forum: Other Greek Texts
Topic: Lysias' Λόγος ὑπὲρ τοῦ ἀδυνάτου
Replies: 176
Views: 22655

#2 Lysias' Λόγος ὑπὲρ τοῦ ἀδυνάτου

καίτοι ὅστις τούτοις φθονεῖ οὓς οἱ ἄλλοι ἐλεοῦσι, τίνος ἂν ὑμῖν ὁ τοιοῦτος ἀποσχέσθαι δοκεῖ πονηρίας; εἰ μὲν γὰρ ἕνεκα χρημάτων με συκοφαντεῖ —— : εἰ δ᾽ ὡς ἐχθρὸν ἑαυτοῦ με τιμωρεῖται, ψεύδεται: διὰ γὰρ τὴν πονηρίαν αὐτοῦ οὔτε φίλῳ οὔτε ἐχθρῷ πώποτε ἐχρησάμην αὐτῷ And yet, if someone envies such pe...
by Jordan Day
June 8th, 2014, 7:45 am
Forum: Other Greek Texts
Topic: Lysias' Λόγος ὑπὲρ τοῦ ἀδυνάτου
Replies: 176
Views: 22655

§1 Lysias' Λόγος ὑπὲρ τοῦ ἀδυνάτου

²What does "have grace" mean in English? I suppose "mercy" ⁶Did you notice the contrast brought out by the ... μὲν ... , ... δὲ ... construction? Yes :) Why do you feel it would be dative? After looking at the entry "δέω (Β)" in LSJ i think I understand it a little bit better. 2. freq. in Att., πολ...
by Jordan Day
June 6th, 2014, 7:39 pm
Forum: Other Greek Texts
Topic: Lysias' Λόγος ὑπὲρ τοῦ ἀδυνάτου
Replies: 176
Views: 22655

Re: Lysias' Λόγος ὑπὲρ τοῦ ἀδυνάτου

Ok, a few things gave me problems. 1) οὐ πολλοῦ (i still dont seem to grasp it). Why the genitive? If used adverbally wouldn't it be the dative? 2) δοίην (I sensed it was an optative, but for some reason I was thinking it was 3rd person singular) 3) τῆσδε and τόνδε (your hint was useful, and then i ...
by Jordan Day
June 2nd, 2014, 10:21 pm
Forum: Other Greek Texts
Topic: "Unseen" Attic Oratory
Replies: 11
Views: 2697

Re: "Unseen" Attic Oratory

A few Questions 1. Why are these two words in the accusative? ὡς ἅπαντα Φίλιππον ποιήσοντα ὅσ᾽ ἂν ὑμεῖς ψηφίσησθε, and this phrase in the infinitive? μὴ προσέχειν τὸν νοῦν τοῖς τοιούτοις ἀνθρώποις. 2. If it were not in indirect speech after κελεύειν, what mood would ποιήσοντα be? Future indicative,...
by Jordan Day
June 1st, 2014, 10:05 pm
Forum: Other Greek Texts
Topic: "Unseen" Attic Oratory
Replies: 11
Views: 2697

Re: "Unseen" Attic Oratory

But, of course I recognise that I am an amateur :cry: and poorly qualified to make that assertation If YOU are an "amateur" then im just gonna go ahead and quit studying, pack my bags, and go home :lol: ἐκέλευεν οὖν τοὺς λέγοντας ἐν τῷ δήμῳ τῇ μὲν εἰρήνῃ μὴ ἐπιτιμᾶν: οὐ γὰρ ἄξιον εἶναι εἰρήνην λύει...
by Jordan Day
May 31st, 2014, 6:02 pm
Forum: Other Greek Texts
Topic: "Unseen" Attic Oratory
Replies: 11
Views: 2697

Re: "Unseen" Attic Oratory

Thank you for your corrections. Let's try this again... Thinking I knew the meaning of "εἰρήνη" I didn't bother with the hint. I should have. :oops: Then, he was ordering those speaking in the assembly not to rebuke (revoke?) the peace treaty, for it is not proper to nullify the peace treaty. But if...
by Jordan Day
May 31st, 2014, 11:10 am
Forum: Other Greek Texts
Topic: "Unseen" Attic Oratory
Replies: 11
Views: 2697

Re: "Unseen" Attic Oratory

Ok, this only took about 25 mins, but I could be WAY off in my understanding of what is being said here. I definitely would have forgotten the meaning of ἐπανορθώσασθαι without your hint :) ἅπαντα Φίλιππον ποιήσοντα ὅσ᾽ - I think I understand this....let me know Then, he was ordering to rebuke not t...
by Jordan Day
May 29th, 2014, 10:17 pm
Forum: Koine Greek Texts
Topic: "Unseen" Koine Text
Replies: 12
Views: 2808

Re: "Unseen" Koine Text

Ok, still no lexicon or grammar at this point :) Some of these mistakes I made really made me *facepalm*. χωρίῳ (δοτ) the diminutive of χώρα... so "small countryside/land" or "field"?? καταχθεὶς rather than καταχθεῖσα (so I should have known it wasn't refering to Καλλιρροη) ἀρσενικὸν γένος! I dont k...
by Jordan Day
May 29th, 2014, 7:19 am
Forum: Koine Greek Texts
Topic: "Unseen" Koine Text
Replies: 12
Views: 2808

Re: "Unseen" Koine Text

Stephen - Thank you for your time in walking me through this. After i get the kids in bed tonight I will take another crack at it using the assistance you provided. Can't wait! :) Barry - Thank you for the words of encouragement. It was much needed. I do envy those that had the opportunity to learn ...
by Jordan Day
May 28th, 2014, 10:35 pm
Forum: Koine Greek Texts
Topic: "Unseen" Koine Text
Replies: 12
Views: 2808

Re: "Unseen" Koine Text

Thank you very much for this little "test". Well, this certainly did not boost my confidence any. I spent 1 hour and 5 mins on this and this is what I came up with: Then, indeed, I later learned these things: and then after Kalliroe was lead down into the χωρίῳ, I had good hope, seeing an image in t...

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