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by Bill Ross
February 4th, 2020, 6:29 am
Forum: Other
Topic: In Ephesians 4:32, is χαρίζομαι really about forgiveness, per se, or is it about “showering with generosity” (“prodigali
Replies: 10
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Re: In Ephesians 4:32, is χαρίζομαι really about forgiveness, per se, or is it about “showering with generosity” (“prodi

And what might be your evidence? Didn't you cite BDAG yourself? ③ to show oneself gracious by forgiving wrongdoing, forgive, pardon (Dionys. Hal. 5, 4, 3; Jos., Ant. 6, 144 ἁμαρτήματα χαρίζεσθαι) w. dat. of pers. and acc. of thing (TestJob 43:1 αὐτοῖς … τὴν ἁμαρτίαν αὐτῶν) χαρισάμενος ἡμῖν πάντα τὰ...
by Bill Ross
February 2nd, 2020, 6:11 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: In Ephesians 4:32, is χαρίζομαι really about forgiveness, per se, or is it about “showering with generosity” (“prodigali
Replies: 10
Views: 720

Re: In Ephesians 4:32, is χαρίζομαι really about forgiveness, per se, or is it about “showering with generosity” (“prodi

I guess I have three thoughts on this Bill. 1. Translations, it seems to me, get stuck in their ways. The KJV cast a very long shadow and others cast their own. 2. Various words in Greek appear have been used in the NT texts in a restricted sense or senses and you don't see the full extent of their...
by Bill Ross
February 2nd, 2020, 2:09 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: In Ephesians 4:32, is χαρίζομαι really about forgiveness, per se, or is it about “showering with generosity” (“prodigali
Replies: 10
Views: 720

Re: In Ephesians 4:32, is χαρίζομαι really about forgiveness, per se, or is it about “showering with generosity” (“prodi

Please state your question in the message body, not just in the subject line. I don't see any way to edit my post, sorry. I do note that every translation on Biblehub has "forgive" while the Knox translation of the Latin has "generous": https://biblehub.com/ephesians/4-32.htm The Holy Bible – Knox ...
by Bill Ross
February 2nd, 2020, 8:33 am
Forum: Other
Topic: In Ephesians 4:32, is χαρίζομαι really about forgiveness, per se, or is it about “showering with generosity” (“prodigali
Replies: 10
Views: 720

In Ephesians 4:32, is χαρίζομαι really about forgiveness, per se, or is it about “showering with generosity” (“prodigali

[Eph 4:32 NLT] (32) Instead, be kind to each other, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God through Christ has forgiven you. [Eph 4:32 MGNT] (32) γίνεσθε δὲ εἰς ἀλλήλους χρηστοί εὔσπλαγχνοι χαριζόμενοι ἑαυτοῖς καθὼς καὶ ὁ θεὸς ἐν Χριστῷ ἐχαρίσατο ὑμῖν χαρίζομαι (χάρις; Hom.+) mid. dep.: fu...
by Bill Ross
January 30th, 2020, 1:18 am
Forum: Other
Topic: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?
Replies: 21
Views: 1316

Re: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?

Stephen Carlson wrote:
January 30th, 2020, 12:56 am
Bill Ross wrote:
January 30th, 2020, 12:34 am
Peng Huiguo wrote:
January 30th, 2020, 12:12 am

εἶπας ὡς αἰδοῖον Ἕλλην.
Awesome. So is the infamous John 1:1 about identity, quality, emphasis, definiteness, or what? Thanks.
This belongs in another topic.
Agreed!
by Bill Ross
January 30th, 2020, 12:34 am
Forum: Other
Topic: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?
Replies: 21
Views: 1316

Re: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?

Peng Huiguo wrote:
January 30th, 2020, 12:12 am
Because I'm in the midst of Big Greeks and I'm a teenie, weenie Greek!
εἶπας ὡς αἰδοῖον Ἕλλην.
Awesome. So is the infamous John 1:1 about identity, quality, emphasis, definiteness, or what? Thanks.
by Bill Ross
January 29th, 2020, 6:15 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?
Replies: 21
Views: 1316

Re: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?

Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 6:10 pm
Bill Ross wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 5:30 pm
I can't discuss this any further without leaving Greek for theology.
The passage is infamously passion rising, but why would it be impossible to discuss about it as a linguistic expression?
Because I'm in the midst of Big Greeks and I'm a teenie, weenie Greek!
by Bill Ross
January 29th, 2020, 5:30 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?
Replies: 21
Views: 1316

Re: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?

"It indicates a quality/characteristic of the subject not the identity"? These are difficult words. How would you define "quality", "characteristc" and "identity" so that it's unambiguous to everyone what they mean in this context? Moreover, what does it have to do with the article? And if we say "...

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