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by Andrew Chapman
January 14th, 2016, 1:35 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: ἐντετυλιγμένον εἰς ἕνα τόπον (John 20.7)
Replies: 4
Views: 972

Re: ἐντετυλιγμένον εἰς ἕνα τόπον (John 20.7)

Tony, thanks for the further point about χωρίς - and one might add the οὐ μετά - certainly in English, if it were a few centimetres away it would still be 'with'. And thank you for the reference - I will look it up next time I am in the library. Jonathan, I think Morgan reads it as: Πέτρος ... θεωρε...
by Andrew Chapman
January 11th, 2016, 1:54 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: ἐντετυλιγμένον εἰς ἕνα τόπον (John 20.7)
Replies: 4
Views: 972

ἐντετυλιγμένον εἰς ἕνα τόπον (John 20.7)

6) ἔρχεται οὖν καὶ Σίμων Πέτρος ἀκολουθῶν αὐτῷ καὶ εἰσῆλθεν εἰς τὸ μνημεῖον, καὶ θεωρεῖ τὰ ὀθόνια κείμενα, (7) καὶ τὸ σουδάριον, ὃ ἦν ἐπὶ τῆς κεφαλῆς αὐτοῦ, οὐ μετὰ τῶν ὀθονίων κείμενον ἀλλὰ χωρὶς ἐντετυλιγμένον εἰς ἕνα τόπον. I had understood the σουδάριον to have been wrapped or folded at the time...
by Andrew Chapman
November 12th, 2015, 1:57 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Reading greek of the early church fathers?
Replies: 4
Views: 1936

Re: Reading greek of the early church fathers?

I was encouraged by C S Lewis's comments on Athanasius's 'On the Incarnation of the Word': When I first opened his De Incarnatione I soon discovered by a very simple test that I was reading a masterpiece. I knew very little Christian Greek except that of the New Testament and I had expected difficul...
by Andrew Chapman
September 13th, 2015, 1:23 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 21 ἀγαπάω / φιλέω
Replies: 26
Views: 9113

Re: John 21 ἀγαπάω / φιλέω

Benjamin Warfield, in his Terminology of Love in the New Testament, part 2, PTR 1918, 155, after reviewing a few cases in the LXX in which φιλέω and ἀγαπάω occur together, concludes: 'In all the combinations of ἀγαπᾶν and φιλεῖν, the higher role is assigned to ἀγαπᾶν.' https://drive.google.com/file/...
by Andrew Chapman
August 2nd, 2015, 9:52 am
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: λέγω with infinitive (MPol 3.1)
Replies: 3
Views: 1094

Re: λέγω with infinitive (MPol 3.1)

In the first part of the clause, the proconsul is the subject of πείθειν, and perhaps I would have expected to see an αὐτόν as the object of λέγοντος and 'subject' of κατοικεῖραι if the subject had changed. In most cases, one of the characteristics of the genitive absolute is that the subject of th...
by Andrew Chapman
July 29th, 2015, 6:47 am
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: λέγω with infinitive (MPol 3.1)
Replies: 3
Views: 1094

λέγω with infinitive (MPol 3.1)

Πολλὰ γὰρ ἐμηχανᾶτο κατ’ αὐτῶν ὁ διάβολος, ἀλλὰ χάρις τῷ θεῷ, κατὰ πάντων γὰρ οὐκ ἴσχυσεν. ὁ γὰρ γενναιότατος Γερμανικὸς ἐπερρώννυεν αὐτῶν τὴν δειλίαν διὰ τῆς ἐν αὐτῷ ὑπομονῆς, ὃς καὶ ἐπισήμως ἐθηριομάχησεν. βουλομένου γὰρ τοῦ ἀνθυπάτου πείθειν αὐτὸν καὶ λέγοντος τὴν ἡλικίαν αὐτοῦ κατοικτεῖραι, ἑαυτ...
by Andrew Chapman
July 23rd, 2015, 7:24 am
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: κήρυκας ὑποστρωννύμενοι
Replies: 11
Views: 2562

Re: κήρυκας ὑποστρωννύμενοι

Thanks very much, Carl. I certainly could swallow it, but it would also be nice to have some usage (apart from this case) to demonstrate the meaning of 'lie down on'. It has been suggested to me that what Wallace [Exegetical Syntax 425ff] calls the permissive middle might be relevant here - somethin...
by Andrew Chapman
July 23rd, 2015, 2:14 am
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: κήρυκας ὑποστρωννύμενοι
Replies: 11
Views: 2562

Re: κήρυκας ὑποστρωννύμενοι

'Strew' is one of the meanings given in LSJ, so is not necessarily etymologising, but I do agree with Stephen that it is perfectly possible that the Christians were being spread out - I still have the difficulty with υπο- rather than επι-. Thanks, Carl, for the Isaiah reference. Still they were spre...
by Andrew Chapman
July 22nd, 2015, 8:58 am
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: κήρυκας ὑποστρωννύμενοι
Replies: 11
Views: 2562

Re: κήρυκας ὑποστρωννύμενοι

Yes, I should think the sense must be "made to lie down on a bed of trumpet shells", the sense of ὑποστρώννυμαι being, "make one's bed of xxx (acc.)", i.e. put down a bedding material and lie down on it. Sorry, Carl I was slow (as too often) to grasp that you were suggesting (if I now understand yo...
by Andrew Chapman
July 22nd, 2015, 4:26 am
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: κήρυκας ὑποστρωννύμενοι
Replies: 11
Views: 2562

Re: κήρυκας ὑποστρωννύμενοι

Thanks very much. If it is the Christians who are being spread out, then why υπο- rather than επι-? ἐπιστορέννῦμι does exist, although not so common. Is υπο- perhaps conveying something other than physically under? I suppose I naturally find it easier to think of it being the shells that are strewn....

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