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by Andrew Chapman
June 14th, 2015, 7:13 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Gal. 4:13-14
Replies: 45
Views: 5576

Re: Gal. 4:13-14

Thanks, Jonathan, I can see that I needed to close the bracket opened with οἴδατε. So I think I would have it like this (that is, as my attempt to represent Lachmann as interpreted by Burton): [ οὐδέν με ἠδικήσατε· ] [ οἴδατε δὲ [ ὅτι διʼ ἀσθένειαν τῆς σαρκὸς εὐηγγελισάμην ὑμῖν τὸ πρότερον ], καὶ [ ...
by Andrew Chapman
June 12th, 2015, 2:18 pm
Forum: Other Greek Texts
Topic: Ἀλώπηξ καὶ βότρυς (Aesop, Perry 15)
Replies: 14
Views: 3687

Re: Ἀλώπηξ καὶ βότρυς (Aesop, Perry 15)

I had in mind a more radical way of reconciling himself to the situation - he did say it πρὸς ἑαυτὴν, after all. I rather liked the section on cognitive dissonance in this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_a ... dissonance

Andrew
by Andrew Chapman
June 12th, 2015, 1:26 pm
Forum: Other Greek Texts
Topic: Ἀλώπηξ καὶ βότρυς (Aesop, Perry 15)
Replies: 14
Views: 3687

Re: Ἀλώπηξ καὶ βότρυς (Aesop, Perry 15)

Thanks, Carl. I can see that for figs or grapes, but find it a little harder for πράγματα. Is there still a time element - 'I failed in my endeavour, because it wasn't the right moment for it' - which I suppose is quite near to 'I failed, because the circumstances weren't propitious'. Actually, I do...
by Andrew Chapman
June 12th, 2015, 9:56 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Gal. 4:13-14
Replies: 45
Views: 5576

Re: Gal. 4:13-14

Jonathan, taking you up on your diagrams, I don't yet understand why you have οἴδατε extending so far. First, with Lachmann's punctuation: οὐδέν με ἠδικήσατε· οἴδατε δὲ ὅτι διʼ ἀσθένειαν τῆς σαρκὸς εὐηγγελισάμην ὑμῖν τὸ πρότερον, καὶ τὸν πειρασμὸν ὑμῶν ἐν τῇ σαρκί μου· οὐκ ἐξουθενήσατε οὐδὲ ἐξεπτύσα...
by Andrew Chapman
June 12th, 2015, 7:15 am
Forum: Other Greek Texts
Topic: Ἀλώπηξ καὶ βότρυς (Aesop, Perry 15)
Replies: 14
Views: 3687

Ἀλώπηξ καὶ βότρυς (Aesop, Perry 15)

Some interest has been expressed in reading Aesop's Fables, and I personally find them to be at a suitable level (ie not too hard). It's also been pointed out that Louis Sorenson has some excellent helps for a selection of them and that it might be a good idea to start with one or two of those. So h...
by Andrew Chapman
June 11th, 2015, 1:54 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: The Objective of “Biblical Greek” Pedagogy
Replies: 63
Views: 30229

Re: The Objective of “Biblical Greek” Pedagogy

The links that appear under the Aesop thread look interesting to me and I think Jonathan is right; Louis' collection looks like a great place to start. Aim at providing learners with "comprehensible input." I had a look at the first fable on Louis Sorenson's site, Ἀλώπηξ καὶ βότρυς. Personally, I f...
by Andrew Chapman
June 10th, 2015, 11:03 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Gal. 4:13-14
Replies: 45
Views: 5576

Re: Gal. 4:13-14

Jonathan Robie wrote:BDAG has some interesting references on the meaning of πιερασμός in this passage, which could affect interpretation
and if one follows the trail to ἐξουθενέω one finds the suggestion that it is a temporal accusative: 'during your time of trial with respect to my physical disability'.

Andrew
by Andrew Chapman
June 10th, 2015, 10:55 am
Forum: Other
Topic: The Objective of “Biblical Greek” Pedagogy
Replies: 63
Views: 30229

Re: The Objective of “Biblical Greek” Pedagogy

If one thing we are trying to do is to read outside the New Testament, then I personally would benefit from the opportunity to discuss the text, perhaps in 'Koine Greek Texts' or 'Other Greek Texts'. I am thinking of 1) the papyri, there are some suitable ones I think in Milligan's Selections from t...
by Andrew Chapman
June 10th, 2015, 10:45 am
Forum: Koine Greek Texts
Topic: What Secular Greek texts do you give NT Greek students?
Replies: 22
Views: 12107

Re: What Secular Greek texts do you give NT Greek students?

H P V Nunn's in his Preface to his 'The Elements of New Testament Greek', (from which Wenham was derived - it has the accents still) suggests: Xenophon, Lucian (in the Macmillan Elementary Classics series) and Plato's Apology of Socrates studied with or without the help of a translation. The latter ...
by Andrew Chapman
June 10th, 2015, 10:10 am
Forum: Resources
Topic: AESOP
Replies: 5
Views: 2415

Re: AESOP

Which versions of Aesop are in Koine? I heard someone once (Solomon P?) mention that there were versions of the fables that were translated from older Greek into Koine. Chambry 2 (http://mythfolklore.net/aesopica/chambry/2.htm) Ἀγαλματοπώλης. Ξύλινόν τις Ἑρμῆν κατασκευάσας καὶ προσενεγκών εἰς ἀγορὰ...

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