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by Eeli Kaikkonen
February 7th, 2020, 4:59 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: In Revelation 7:14, is there a grammatical reason why ἐκ shouldn't be read "since"?
Replies: 9
Views: 764

Re: In Revelation 7:14, is there a grammatical reason why ἐκ shouldn't be read "since"?

So they were victims of the tribulation of just a few years (around 70ad). I think it's better to think about the "literal" meaning and not the interpreted meaning at all when talking about this. I mean, there's a surface level "story" here. The whole story has a figurative meaning, but because it ...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
January 29th, 2020, 6:10 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?
Replies: 21
Views: 1309

Re: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?

Bill Ross wrote:
January 29th, 2020, 5:30 pm
I can't discuss this any further without leaving Greek for theology.
The passage is infamously passion rising, but why would it be impossible to discuss about it as a linguistic expression?
by Eeli Kaikkonen
January 29th, 2020, 5:27 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?
Replies: 21
Views: 1309

Re: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?

"It indicates a quality/characteristic of the subject not the identity"? These are difficult words. How would you define "quality", "characteristc" and "identity" so that it's unambiguous to everyone what they mean in this context? Moreover, what does it have to do with the article? And if we say "...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
January 29th, 2020, 6:55 am
Forum: Other
Topic: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?
Replies: 21
Views: 1309

Re: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?

That appears to have some overlap but is, I think, distinct 1Cor 12:3: Ἰησοῦς is discourse old, we already know who Jesus is, so it's the topic. We say (or an imaginary person says) something about Jesus. ἀνάθεμα and κύριος tell what Jesus is (in someone's opinion), they are both statements about J...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
January 29th, 2020, 3:54 am
Forum: Other
Topic: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?
Replies: 21
Views: 1309

Re: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?

Compare also with the famous καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος in John 1:1.
by Eeli Kaikkonen
January 28th, 2020, 6:47 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?
Replies: 21
Views: 1309

Re: In 1 Corinthians 12:3, why is κύριος Ἰησοῦς usually rendered "Jesus is Lord"?

Could you be more specific? I don't see anything unusual about the word order. Well, "choice implies meaning" and all that... why it's κύριος Ἰησοῦς and not Ἰησοῦς κύριος? I would say Ἰησοῦς is topic, κύριος is focus which is fronted for "emphasis". (Compare with ἀνάθεμα Ἰησοῦς.) In English it woul...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
January 27th, 2020, 5:05 am
Forum: Campbell: Advances in the Study of Greek
Topic: A summary by Bumgardner
Replies: 0
Views: 373

A summary by Bumgardner

https://www.academia.edu/37159745/Summa ... y_of_Greek

A nice summary of most of the book, totally 6 dense pages.
by Eeli Kaikkonen
January 1st, 2020, 4:56 pm
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: A Chiasm in 2 Corinthians 13:3-5?
Replies: 2
Views: 427

Re: A Chiasm in 2 Corinthians 13:3-5?

2 προείρηκα καὶ προλέγω, ὡς παρὼν τὸ δεύτερον καὶ ἀπὼν νῦν, τοῖς προημαρτηκόσιν καὶ τοῖς λοιποῖς πᾶσιν, ὅτι ἐὰν ἔλθω εἰς τὸ πάλιν οὐ φείσομαι. 3 ἐπεὶ δοκιμὴν ζητεῖτε τοῦ ἐν ἐμοὶ λαλοῦντος χριστοῦ ὃς εἰς ὑμᾶς οὐκ ἀσθενεῖ ἀλλὰ δυνατεῖ ἐν ὑμῖν. 4 καὶ γὰρ ἐσταυρώθη ἐξ ἀσθενείας ἀλλὰ ζῇ ἐκ δυνάμεως θεοῦ...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
December 31st, 2019, 3:53 pm
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: φανεροω in Eph 5:13
Replies: 5
Views: 666

Re: φανεροω in Eph 5:13

If φανερούμενον is nominative passive, then it seems that "whatever BECOMES visible is light" would be unavoidably correct. If it is nominative middle (deponent), then perhaps "whatever MAKES visible is light" could be correct. I'm not 100% I understood you correctly. But I believe what you think i...

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