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by Eeli Kaikkonen
December 11th, 2011, 11:09 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 1 Cor 12.16
Replies: 10
Views: 1679

Re: 1 Cor 12.16

I would take this as the comparative use of παρά negated by οὐ, "not less than" I'm perplexed. What does it mean? How would you paraphrase or explain the whole sentence? The examples from Epiphanius Scr. Eccl. look interesting. If I understand them even remotely correctly, our ου παρα τουτο is used...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
December 5th, 2011, 5:13 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 1 Cor 12.16
Replies: 10
Views: 1679

Re: 1 Cor 12.16

Perhaps it is the fronting of the phrase οὐ παρὰ τοῦτο = οὐκ ἔστιν ἐκ τοῦ σώματος οὐ παρὰ τοῦτο it is not for this reason (=because it is not an eye), it is not (part = μέλος) from (of) the body. How about "οὐ -- παρὰ τοῦτο οὐκ ἔστιν ἐκ τοῦ σώματος", paraphrased "ουκ εστιν οτι παρα τουτο ουκ εστιν ...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
November 23rd, 2011, 8:49 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Nuance in the passive voice
Replies: 14
Views: 2703

Re: Nuance in the passive voice

Payne believes that epitrepw (esp. in 1st pers. sing. pres. ind. act.) is unsuited to identify a 'universal permission'. I want to say that verbs (whatever voice) may not be rigidly restricted to a 'majority' usage but must be interpreted by their individual contexts. Thanks for clarifications. Aft...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
November 20th, 2011, 8:50 pm
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Nuance in the passive voice
Replies: 14
Views: 2703

Re: Nuance in the passive voice

Therefore the first task here is to make clear what a writer means with the term "hiding the agent". Maybe Joan can help here, if she has the original text at hand. I just realized I don't even know who's talking about hiding the agent, Joan or Payne. I just assumed it was Payne based on Joan's que...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
November 20th, 2011, 8:39 pm
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Nuance in the passive voice
Replies: 14
Views: 2703

Re: Nuance in the passive voice

I continue to wonder if there are studies where the hiding of the agent in Greek is discussed, so that Joan might set this text against a broader context? Googling "divine passive" and "hiding the agent" give some hits for the English language. They both describe something like clever obfuscation o...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
November 20th, 2011, 7:07 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Nuance in the passive voice
Replies: 14
Views: 2703

Re: Nuance in the passive voice

Hiding the agent, also known as cryptopoiesis, is a feature of many languages besides Greek. The most famous example is President Reagan's 1986 admission: Mistakes were made. You could argue that cryptopoiesis is found in Acts 26:1 Ἁγρίππας δὲ πρὸς τὸν Παῦλον ἔφη ἐπιτρέπεταί σοι περὶ σεαυτοῦ λέγειν...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
November 19th, 2011, 11:33 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Nuance in the passive voice
Replies: 14
Views: 2703

Re: Nuance in the passive voice

I am looking for a good source which discusses and/or defines nuance in the passive voice The first step is to get to know the recent trend in studies on voice. See http://artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/GrkVc.html. Not all will agree with that, at least for now, but it has too much knowledge and common...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
November 8th, 2011, 6:47 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: verbal aspect
Replies: 17
Views: 3698

Re: verbal aspect

Wallace writes clearly, is easy and light to read Are you serious? It took everyone in my class 10 minutes just to understand the first page. We all ended up skimming through our weekly reading because none of us had the time to stop and actually try to figure out what Wallace was talking about. I'...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
November 8th, 2011, 5:55 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: verbal aspect
Replies: 17
Views: 3698

Re: verbal aspect

Although not everyone likes Daniel Wallace's Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics , I'd say it's the best you can spend your money on, if you want to buy something. Rijksbaron is more difficult (technical and academic) and will probably gather dust in your shelf. I own both. Wallace writes clearly, is ea...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
November 8th, 2011, 5:56 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Semantics of σημαίνω
Replies: 5
Views: 874

Re: Semantics of σημαίνω

In John 12:33, e.g., we find τοῦτο δὲ ἔλεγεν σημαίνων ποίῳ θανάτῳ ἤμελλεν ἀποθνῄσκειν which clearly indicates that the detailing of the matter of Jesus' death was communicated by speech. Maybe the distinction between symbol and speech is an artificial (modern) one. From LSJ I get an impression that...