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by KimmoHuovila
May 14th, 2012, 9:39 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: The Term Aktionsart
Replies: 40
Views: 12623

Re: The Term Aktionsart

Traditional grammar has employed a wide range of terms that profess to describe various uses of the tenses (tendential, inceptive, etc.). How are these to be related to the work on Aktionsart? (I'm pretty confident that they cannot and should not be related to aspect.) I still hear these terms used...
by KimmoHuovila
March 18th, 2012, 3:19 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3
Replies: 36
Views: 5336

Re: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3

Okay I have read through section 5.3, but I actually do not really see how it is relevant. I do not consider the perfect tense as denoting a state of the subject of the verb. Rather I understand it as conveying the present state resulting from the past verb, and this present state may occasionally ...
by KimmoHuovila
March 17th, 2012, 2:04 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3
Replies: 36
Views: 5336

Re: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3

Thanks for your careful comments! However I hope you don't mind me asking for some evidence. :) Some of this stuff is discussed in my thesis at http://ethesis.helsinki.fi/julkaisut/hum/yleis/pg/huovila/towardsa.pdf. Instead of repeating it, I will just refer to the relevant section. Sometimes with ...
by KimmoHuovila
March 17th, 2012, 3:51 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3
Replies: 36
Views: 5336

Re: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3

KimmoHuovila wrote: The change of state does not extend indefinitely. It is not part of the event. It is the consequences of the event or the resulting state that extends. In this sense the aorist can be quite close to the present.
I mean perfect, not present.
by KimmoHuovila
March 17th, 2012, 3:46 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3
Replies: 36
Views: 5336

Re: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3

Thanks, I think the definition of "stative" at least is clear now. Unfortunately, I then do not see what exactly it implies in 1 John 2:3. I always read a perfect to mean a present state (in the real world) that stems from a past event, whereas the aorist simply points to an event, which is usually...
by KimmoHuovila
March 16th, 2012, 4:23 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3
Replies: 36
Views: 5336

Re: Force of the perfect ἐγνώκαμεν in 1 John 2:3

Can you help give a clear definition for a stative verb? Bernard Comrie (Aspect, pages 48–51) deals with this question. On page 49 he says "With a state, unless something happens to change the state, then the state will continue: this applies equally to standing and to knowing. With a dynamic situa...
by KimmoHuovila
March 7th, 2012, 3:08 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Aspect of Historical Present (split from Augment and Aspect)
Replies: 29
Views: 15547

Re: Augment and Aspect

Yes, 'fall' can naturally have time, though I find it an interesting verb in many languages, especially with a satellite 'goal' like 'at his feet', 'to the ground'. In Hebrew, for example, we never have the perfect-passive adjective *nafuul only the usually imperfective adjective nofel, but with pe...
by KimmoHuovila
March 7th, 2012, 2:56 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Aspect of Historical Present (split from Augment and Aspect)
Replies: 29
Views: 15547

Re: Augment and Aspect

I realize my fingers were faster than my brain. A few corrections below. Since I have not studied this verb in detail, my comments are tentative, but I am not convinced yet. Falling is something that often takes time. I don't think we have many texts about parachute jumping and all the things you ca...
by KimmoHuovila
March 7th, 2012, 11:17 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Aspect of Historical Present (split from Augment and Aspect)
Replies: 29
Views: 15547

Re: Augment and Aspect

Kimmo, you might want to check out the relative lack of imperfects with πιπτειν. There is only 1 out of 90 verbs in NT, 10 out of 180 in Josephus. The imperfects tend to be iterative, typically multiple deaths in battle. Since I have not studied this verb in detail, my comments are tentative, but I...
by KimmoHuovila
March 6th, 2012, 1:33 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Aspect of Historical Present (split from Augment and Aspect)
Replies: 29
Views: 15547

Re: Augment and Aspect

Stephen Carlson wrote: It is also dated to the spring of 1999, which is a while ago. Have you done any more work in this area?
Nothing published or serious. I am not working on a dissertation on this topic.

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