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by Jason Hare
December 19th, 2019, 2:19 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Luke 6:27 εχθρους
Replies: 13
Views: 841

Re: Luke 6:27 εχθρους

Who is "the Goth"?
by Jason Hare
December 12th, 2019, 2:57 am
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Why is αρχή plural in Genesis 1:16?
Replies: 4
Views: 503

Re: Why is αρχή plural in Genesis 1:16?

Hi, Brandon. As a matter of housekeeping, please contact a moderator so that we can get your username to conform to the forum police . I'm not sure why it would read εἰς ἀρχάς instead of εἰς ἀρχήν . I had never really thought of it. I've asked in another group, too, to put out feelers for opinions. ...
by Jason Hare
December 8th, 2019, 11:47 pm
Forum: Writing Greek
Topic: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan
Replies: 19
Views: 1204

Re: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan

Reading the thread again, I guess what you meant to say was that although Barry might understand the text without recourse to English translation, you yourself need it to be translated into English. This isn't how I understood your message initially. Is that what you meant? We do kinda assume on th...
by Jason Hare
December 8th, 2019, 9:46 pm
Forum: Writing Greek
Topic: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan
Replies: 19
Views: 1204

Re: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan

Okay, I think we need a quick paradigm review (at least I do). I composed without thinking, and then thought about it and realized that I had written written the aorist middle wrongly. But my instinct was correct, because I defaulted to the perfect middle/passive form, προώρισαι, which uses the pri...
by Jason Hare
December 8th, 2019, 8:37 pm
Forum: Writing Greek
Topic: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan
Replies: 19
Views: 1204

Re: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan

I think it'd be προώρισας ("you predestined") rather than προώρισαι ("you were predestined"). Perhaps change the whole phrase to the aorist passive participle: τῇ δόξῃ τῇ προορισθείσῃ μοι πρὸ τοῦ τὸν κόσμον εἶναι . Middle voice. Passive would be προωρίσθης. However, I think the form should probably...
by Jason Hare
December 8th, 2019, 8:09 pm
Forum: Writing Greek
Topic: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan
Replies: 19
Views: 1204

Re: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan

Reading the thread again, I guess what you meant to say was that although Barry might understand the text without recourse to English translation, you yourself need it to be translated into English. This isn't how I understood your message initially. Is that what you meant? We do kinda assume on thi...
by Jason Hare
December 8th, 2019, 7:49 pm
Forum: Writing Greek
Topic: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan
Replies: 19
Views: 1204

Re: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan

There are others on this forum, so I won't be the only one. Ancient Greek is a as "doable" as any other language, and it's just matter practice. Your translation reflects what I intended, so I must have gotten something right... :lol: The point, however, is that there is a set of biblical vocabular...
by Jason Hare
December 8th, 2019, 7:46 pm
Forum: Writing Greek
Topic: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan
Replies: 19
Views: 1204

Re: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan

You're one of those folks to takes everything literally, huh? ;-) That's an odd phrase for hyperbole. If it was hyperbole, perhaps it was intended as an insult to Barry. How am I supposed to read your emotions? All I can see is what you write on the screen. Without a wink, without a laugh emoji, wi...
by Jason Hare
December 8th, 2019, 7:07 pm
Forum: Writing Greek
Topic: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan
Replies: 19
Views: 1204

Re: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan

You're the only person I know of who can speak Koine as well as he can English! With as much respect that I can muster for my friend Barry... :roll: No native English speaker you meet will speak Koiné as well as they speak English. No one you will meet will speak Koiné better than they speak their ...
by Jason Hare
December 8th, 2019, 7:05 pm
Forum: Writing Greek
Topic: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan
Replies: 19
Views: 1204

Re: John 17:5 and Existence in God's Plan

Not, it's good, because it's ultimately about the Greek, and your instincts are good, because the Greek of John 17:5 in no way supports this "interpretation." How would you say it? A number of possibilities. Try καὶ νῦν δόξασόν με σύ Πάτερ τῇ δόξῃ ἥν μοι προώρισαι κατὰ τὴν γνώμην πρὸ τοῦ τὸν κόσμον...

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