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by TimNelson
November 17th, 2014, 4:24 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Verb catalog - lexical aspect
Replies: 89
Views: 16983

Re: Verb catalog - lexical aspect

Just to clarify: a) I suspect that essive didn't come from WOC; I had two sets of notes next to each other, and one set was derived from WOC, and the other was derived partly from WOC and partly from something I found on the Internet at some point; I think "essive" came from the Internet, and I was ...
by TimNelson
November 16th, 2014, 8:39 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Verb catalog - lexical aspect
Replies: 89
Views: 16983

Re: Verb catalog - lexical aspect

Oh, dear, I'm exceptionally stupid. What I meant to say is: Stative = permanent state (ie. "Bob is silly", implying that Bob is always, permanently silly, and can always be considered as such) Essive = Temporary state (ie. "Bob is being silly", implying that, while Bob is silly at the moment, he may...
by TimNelson
November 16th, 2014, 7:24 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Verb catalog - lexical aspect
Replies: 89
Views: 16983

Re: Verb catalog - lexical aspect

Sorry. The place I first ran across the whole question of verbal aspect was in a work which also discussed essives, namely, Waltke and O'Connor's work on Hebrew Syntax. My understanding is that, according to the WOC (Waltke/O'Connor) use of the terms, an essive is a temporary state (ie. "Bob is bein...
by TimNelson
November 16th, 2014, 12:47 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Verb catalog - lexical aspect
Replies: 89
Views: 16983

Re: Verb catalog - lexical aspect

Just one more question arising from this thread (or should this be a separate thread?) People have mentioned prototype theory, which has been useful, and which has been contrasted with a definition-based model (is this definition-based model the "Semantic feature-comparison model"?). Is prototype th...
by TimNelson
November 16th, 2014, 12:41 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Verb catalog - lexical aspect
Replies: 89
Views: 16983

Re: Verb catalog - lexical aspect

Yes. Here are the standard features for predicate classes (transitivity is an important but separate issue): State: [+static], [−dynamic], [−telic], [−punctual] Activity [−static], [+dynamic], [−telic], [−punctual] Accomplishment [−static], [−dynamic], [+telic], [−punctual] Semelfactive [−static], ...
by TimNelson
November 16th, 2014, 12:32 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Telicity of ἐλθεῖν (ἕρχομαι)?
Replies: 32
Views: 5604

Re: Telicity of ἐλθεῖν (ἕρχομαι)?

I'm fairly convinced that this is a case of misunderstanding. Scott, I didn't have any problem with Dr. Carlson's comments (though I'm the newbie here, and am glad I can leave it to others to make the call) -- it may be a matter of how they're read. As an example, I understood Dr. Carlson's comments...
by TimNelson
November 13th, 2014, 6:27 pm
Forum: Teaching and Learning Greek
Topic: Verses with the Most Common Words
Replies: 10
Views: 6411

Re: Verses with the Most Common Words

Another thing which might be relevant is "Children's Bible" Greek. http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1614 Note the link to TextKit. Mounce generates his overall vocab list by trying to just include words that occur more than 50x, with maybe one or two select others. Wenham use...
by TimNelson
November 5th, 2014, 7:00 pm
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Verb catalog - lexical aspect
Replies: 89
Views: 16983

Re: Verb catalog - lexical aspect

OK, good to know. Are there attributes which are less problematic? I'm thinking of transitivity, for example, and maybe stativity. Btw, that post (on the other thread) was really helpful, although I had to read up on causatives to make sense of it (I was thinking of causatives as 3-argument verbs, l...
by TimNelson
November 4th, 2014, 11:06 pm
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Verb catalog - lexical aspect
Replies: 89
Views: 16983

Re: Verb catalog - lexical aspect

MAubrey posted at http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1300&start=20 , and I'm responding here; you'll see why. The fast answer to the question in terms of how I understand this verb is this: ἐλθεῖν's prototypical instantiations are certainly telic. However, telicity is not a sch...
by TimNelson
November 4th, 2014, 10:50 pm
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Verb catalog - lexical aspect
Replies: 89
Views: 16983

Re: Verb catalog - lexical aspect

(quotes snipped as per PHPBB regulations) OK, now I'm confused by what "the [a]orist is the most prototypical use of the aorist," then. It sounds tautological. Hmm. I was writing like I talk. How about if I were to write "Are we thinking that some particular use of the aorist (to select a grammatic...

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