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by PhillipLebsack
February 6th, 2018, 9:15 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: 1 Corinthians 12:4-5 δὲ vs καὶ
Replies: 16
Views: 4607

Re: 1 Corinthians 12:4-5 δὲ vs καὶ

Better to focus on learning to read greek. The better one learns to understand Greek, the better one understands what Steven and others are doing in DA. I agree... I feel like this is essential to learning to read Greek... I can't say that i'm an authority on this, but my philosophy is that no tran...
by PhillipLebsack
February 6th, 2018, 7:10 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: 1 Corinthians 12:4-5 δὲ vs καὶ
Replies: 16
Views: 4607

Re: 1 Corinthians 12:4-5 δὲ vs καὶ

Hi Phillip, Instead of trying to use the terminology in the grammar I'll try to restate what I see going on here in terms of sets. I would view δἐ here introducing a comment on a set, whereas καἰ is adding another member to the same set or potentially adding larger sets together. Set A Set A1: 4 Δι...
by PhillipLebsack
February 5th, 2018, 7:57 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: 1 Corinthians 12:4-5 δὲ vs καὶ
Replies: 16
Views: 4607

Re: 1 Corinthians 12:4-5 δὲ vs καὶ

Also, on page 21, he says "καί is unmarked for development. There may or may not be one present with καί. The writer has chosen not to indicate one way or the other if καί is used." Is there a development in the second καί in verse 5? Any explanation on these issues in general would be greatly appre...
by PhillipLebsack
February 5th, 2018, 7:23 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: 1 Corinthians 12:4-5 δὲ vs καὶ
Replies: 16
Views: 4607

1 Corinthians 12:4-5 δὲ vs καὶ

Section in context: "καὶ οὐδεὶς δύναται εἰπεῖν, Κύριος Ἰησοῦς, εἰ μὴ ἐν πνεύματι ἁγίῳ. 4 ∆ιαιρέσεις δὲ χαρισμάτων εἰσίν, τὸ δὲ αὐτὸ πνεῦμα· 5 καὶ διαιρέσεις διακονιῶν εἰσιν, καὶ ὁ αὐτὸς κύριος· 6 καὶ διαιρέσεις ἐνεργημάτων εἰσίν, ὁ δὲ αὐτὸς θεὸς ὁ ἐνεργῶν τὰ πάντα ἐν πᾶσιν. 7 ἑκάστῳ δὲ δίδοται ἡ φαν...
by PhillipLebsack
February 2nd, 2018, 6:54 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: John 2:16 καὶ τοῖς τὰς περιστερὰς πωλοῦσιν εἶπεν·
Replies: 9
Views: 2410

Re: John 2:16 καὶ τοῖς τὰς περιστερὰς πωλοῦσιν εἶπεν·

A good start would be to read the Steven Runge's Discourse Grammar of the Greek New Testament . Part 3, chapters 9-14 can take you 90% of the way in terms of how word order works in Greek. I've started reading Runge's book and I have to say, this is one of the best recommendations i've gotten. So f...
by PhillipLebsack
February 2nd, 2018, 5:49 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: John 3:2 Ῥαββί (רַבִּי) and διδάσκαλος
Replies: 9
Views: 2756

Re: John 3:2 Ῥαββί (רַבִּי) and διδάσκαλος

We still use the title Rabbi when we speak English, that doesn't mean that every English text that uses that word was translated from Hebrew. They also use the same title in German, French, Russian, Hungarian ... In this passage, Ῥαββί is a normal form of address for a Jewish teacher, but ἀπὸ θεοῦ ...
by PhillipLebsack
February 2nd, 2018, 5:43 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: John 2:16 καὶ τοῖς τὰς περιστερὰς πωλοῦσιν εἶπεν·
Replies: 9
Views: 2410

Re: John 2:16 καὶ τοῖς τὰς περιστερὰς πωλοῦσιν εἶπεν·

What exactly are the different nuances? In context, τοῖς τὰς περιστερὰς πωλοῦσιν is preferred because in 2:14 John has introduced a list βόας καὶ πρόβατα καὶ περιστερὰς καὶ τοὺς κερματιστὰς καθημένους, in 2:15 he deals with all of them except for the doves, to which he turns in 2:16. Fronting somet...
by PhillipLebsack
February 1st, 2018, 6:28 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: John 2:16 καὶ τοῖς τὰς περιστερὰς πωλοῦσιν εἶπεν·
Replies: 9
Views: 2410

Re: John 2:16 καὶ τοῖς τὰς περιστερὰς πωλοῦσιν εἶπεν·

It's number 1. The πωλοῦσιν is the dative participle in this case. Hello. Thanks for your reply Jason. So τοῖς goes with πωλοῦσιν because they are of the same case number and gender, and the noun sandwich construction is just something that is possible in the language? It's because participles func...
by PhillipLebsack
February 1st, 2018, 6:15 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: John 2:22 Jesus said the word, or the word and the writing?
Replies: 5
Views: 1688

Re: John 2:22 Jesus said the word, or the word and the writing?

Thank you for your responses.

I'm wondering though is there any way to tell objectively where to draw the line for dependent clauses?
by PhillipLebsack
February 1st, 2018, 5:54 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: John 3:2 Ῥαββί (רַבִּי) and διδάσκαλος
Replies: 9
Views: 2756

John 3:2 Ῥαββί (רַבִּי) and διδάσκαλος

John 3:2 οὗτος ἦλθεν πρὸς αὐτὸν νυκτὸς καὶ εἶπεν αὐτῷ· Ῥαββί, οἴδαμεν ὅτι ἀπὸ θεοῦ ἐλήλυθας διδάσκαλος· οὐδεὶς γὰρ ⸂δύναται ταῦτα τὰ σημεῖα⸃ ποιεῖν ἃ σὺ ποιεῖς, ἐὰν μὴ ᾖ ὁ θεὸς μετ’ αὐτοῦ. I'm kind of perplexed. Ῥαββί is just the transliterated form of the Hebrew רַבִּי, which means διδάσκαλος. This...

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