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by Stephen Nelson
August 7th, 2019, 4:50 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
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Views: 44498

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

PS: the ancients also rejected the theory, preemptively. The ancient grammarians were the ones who came up with the temporal definitions of indicative time, on their own, and as mother-tongue speakers. A citation to that sources would be amazing, if available. Thanks! See here for a discussion of o...
by Stephen Nelson
August 6th, 2019, 7:49 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 44498

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

RandallButh wrote:
August 6th, 2019, 1:07 pm

PS: the ancients also rejected the theory, preemptively. The ancient grammarians were the ones who came up with the temporal definitions of indicative time, on their own, and as mother-tongue speakers.
A citation to that sources would be amazing, if available. Thanks!
by Stephen Nelson
August 5th, 2019, 2:39 am
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 44498

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Here are Campbell's examples from Basics of Verbal Aspect in Biblical Greek: Future Aorist More commonly, the aorist tense-form may be used in future-referring contexts. [...] Mark 11:24 διὰ τοῦτο λέγω ὑμῖν, πάντα ὅσα προσεύχεσθε καὶ αἰτεῖσθε, πιστεύετε ὅτι ἐλάβετε , καὶ ἔσται ὑμῖν. Therefore, I tel...
by Stephen Nelson
August 5th, 2019, 2:09 am
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 44498

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

The Syntax and Semantics of the Verb in Classical Greek An excellent and extremely systematic approach that carefully considers the interplay of verbs acting together in context. Lots of examples. Short. Uses examples from Classical Greek, but with translations to make them easy to follow. The Camb...
by Stephen Nelson
August 4th, 2019, 1:57 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 44498

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

BTW, do you already know about "Greek Verb Revisited"? https://www.logos.com/product/53614/the-greek-verb-revisited-a-fresh-approach-for-biblical-exegesis https://www.amazon.com/Greek-Verb-Revisited-Approach-Biblical/dp/1577996364 There are quite many discussions in this forum about tense and aspec...
by Stephen Nelson
August 3rd, 2019, 9:39 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 44498

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

However, in the context we can see that Jesus is already being betrayed by Judas. It's already happening, but will be completed in the future. What about 1 Thessalonians 2:16? Paul says: "... ἔφθασεν δὲ ἐπ᾽ αὐτοὺς (τοὺς Ἰουδαίας) ἡ ὀργὴ εἰς τέλος" NASB: But wrath has come upon them (the Jews) to th...
by Stephen Nelson
August 3rd, 2019, 3:18 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 44498

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

were there instances in which aorist indicative constructions (i.e. in the New Testament), commonly translated as past tense, were reinterpreted with future temporal reference? Can you give examples (Koine, from OT/NT or elsewhere) where aorist indicative should be interpreted with future temporal ...
by Stephen Nelson
August 3rd, 2019, 1:42 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 44498

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

After the Porter vs Fanning debate revolutionized Greek scholarship Also, it didn't revolutionize Greek scholarship. They're touch points on a long standing trend. When I say "revolutionize", I'm paraphrasing Constantine Campbell (though I admit this may be a somewhat hyperbolic word choice). Here'...
by Stephen Nelson
August 2nd, 2019, 8:19 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 44498

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Yes, but my core question isn't actually that complicated. For example, were there any verses in the bible that prior to 1990 had always been translated in the past tense, but then, thanks to the new understanding, the translation was updated to a proleptic future aorist? That should be a simple "ye...
by Stephen Nelson
August 2nd, 2019, 7:08 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 44498

Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

After the Porter vs Fanning debate revolutionized Greek scholarship, were there instances in which aorist indicative constructions (i.e. in the New Testament), commonly translated as past tense, were reinterpreted with future temporal reference?

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