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by Alan Bunning
July 11th, 2018, 11:48 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: εἶπον vs. εἶπαν
Replies: 11
Views: 6595

Re: εἶπον vs. εἶπαν

Thanks for that feedback. I do know that his work on this is in line with current scholarship. Yes, I respect his scholarship and in fact have been depending on it. In other words, Buth's conclusions rest on a large body of evidence and analysis that is too large to be presented in a forum. I would ...
by Alan Bunning
July 11th, 2018, 12:49 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: εἶπον vs. εἶπαν
Replies: 11
Views: 6595

Re: εἶπον vs. εἶπαν

How do you account for this? The silence is deafening here. In order to figure out the order of magnitude, I went ahead and did the same search for words where ο and ω were being swapped and found that there were about twice as many cases, but that is somewhat misleading because several of the word...
by Alan Bunning
July 3rd, 2018, 11:07 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: εἶπον vs. εἶπαν
Replies: 11
Views: 6595

Re: εἶπον vs. εἶπαν

perhaps in some dialect the α sounded like ο? In antiquity, the various Greek dialects kept 'a' separate from 'o'. The closest vowel to 'a' was 'ω' but 'ω' merged with 'o' before New Testament times and 'a' was always kept distinct from 'o' . There is one dialect HOWEVER where 'a' and 'o' are confu...
by Alan Bunning
July 1st, 2018, 7:39 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: εἶπον vs. εἶπαν
Replies: 11
Views: 6595

Re: εἶπον vs. εἶπαν

It's the difference between a first aorist and a second aorist. Just different ways for the same form. The second aorist εἶπον is the older, classical form , but the first aorist εἶπαν is more regular. Similarly with ἦλθον / ἦλθαν. We don't really have enough evidence to get a good feel for the dif...
by Alan Bunning
June 30th, 2018, 10:02 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: εἶπον vs. εἶπαν
Replies: 11
Views: 6595

εἶπον vs. εἶπαν

Where they are both aorist 3rd person plural, some manuscripts will have εἶπον but others will have the εἶπαν. How is this difference viewed? 1. They are different distinct conjugations that happen to have the same meaning, i.e. the use of one over the other is somewhat deliberate. 2. They are merel...
by Alan Bunning
December 30th, 2017, 9:27 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Bunning Heuristic Prototype Greek New Testament
Replies: 2
Views: 1084

Re: Bunning Heuristic Prototype Greek New Testament

The short answer is that the algorithms take quite a bit to explain, more than I would want to write here. That would probably be a nice topic for a paper that I could publish. The algorithm was not rigorously applied in making this text anyway, which it why it is only a prototype. Unfortunately, I ...
by Alan Bunning
December 29th, 2017, 7:50 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Bunning Heuristic Prototype Greek New Testament
Replies: 2
Views: 1084

Bunning Heuristic Prototype Greek New Testament

In case you are looking for yet another critical text, the CNTR has released a preliminary draft of the Bunning Heuristic Prototype (BHP) Greek New Testament under a CC-BY-SA license. The introduction and data files are located for free download at https://greekcntr.org/resources.htm . This draft co...
by Alan Bunning
December 20th, 2017, 3:44 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 6593

Re: Dative case as the direct object?

Jonathan Robie wrote:
December 20th, 2017, 3:24 pm
The more useful question is this: what does the Greek mean, and how do we best represent it?
Agreed, and there are probably several different ways to do that depending on your goals.
by Alan Bunning
December 20th, 2017, 3:22 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 6593

Re: Dative case as the direct object?

I like the fact that I could easily query to find instances of dative or genitive objects. I don't think calling some of these complements would make it easier to query or understand. I don't think calling some of these obliques would make it easier to query or understand, and it would make it hard...
by Alan Bunning
December 19th, 2017, 1:32 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 6593

Re: Dative case as the direct object?

But how do you know for sure how the Greeks thought of it? That's not something we can get from your intuition or mine, and rewording English translations in more stilted English prose or more abstract metalanguage does not make it more like how the Greeks thought. Yes, again I think that is the po...

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