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by Alan Bunning
December 19th, 2017, 12:50 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 6626

Re: Dative case as the direct object?

Consider Mark 5:31 Τίς μου ἥψατο; That is a perfectly good example. It is hard to think of it as anything but transitive according to our English notions. But that does not mean the Greeks thought of it that way. Or that a different language would for that matter. In English, to say “He touched of ...
by Alan Bunning
December 18th, 2017, 9:03 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 6626

Re: Dative case as the direct object?

Some other thoughts. I have notice that this phenomenon also occurs with the genitive case. Consider Matt. 17:5 ἀκούετε αὐτοῦ translated “be hearing him”, with “him” normally being translated as a direct object in English. But again, this could be considered an example of imposing our English ideas ...
by Alan Bunning
December 14th, 2017, 12:41 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 6626

Re: Dative case as the direct object?

Barry Hofstetter wrote:
December 14th, 2017, 12:31 pm
For Matthew 6:15, quite a few manuscripts add τὰ παραπτώματα αὐτῶν. As it is, they should be supplied by way of elipsis from vs. 14.
I should have picked a better example such as Matthew 18:21 where there is no accusative in the picture. There are many examples that demonstrate my point.
by Alan Bunning
December 14th, 2017, 11:16 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Dative case as the direct object?
Replies: 23
Views: 6626

Dative case as the direct object?

The dative case is normally associated with an indirect object. But many grammars state that for some verbs the dative case is the direct object, for words involving trusting, obeying, serving, worshipping, thanksgiving, belief, following, rebuking, helping, pleasing, commanding, etc. However, it is...
by Alan Bunning
December 12th, 2017, 7:28 pm
Forum: Software
Topic: CNTR Greek Character Utility
Replies: 3
Views: 4171

Re: CNTR Greek Character Utility

Jonathan Robie wrote:
December 12th, 2017, 7:14 pm
Is there a corresponding command-line tool?
No, it is just an on-line web-based tool written in javascript.
by Alan Bunning
December 12th, 2017, 12:48 pm
Forum: Software
Topic: CNTR Greek Character Utility
Replies: 3
Views: 4171

CNTR Greek Character Utility

Because of the Unicode problem I brought up in this thread “Oxia vs tonos accent” http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=4170 , I decided to bite the bullet and write my own program to help me get a handle on the problem. Right now it is at https://greekcntr.org/tools/greekchar.htm...
by Alan Bunning
December 8th, 2017, 11:16 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: Verb transitivity
Replies: 5
Views: 1749

Re: Verb transitivity

In traditional grammars, this αὐτόν in Mark 12:34 has been analyzed as an instance of prolepsis; see e.g. A. M. Buscemi, "La prolessi nel NT," LA 35 (1985): 37-68 at 51. Prolepsis is a perhaps good explanation for that case because αὐτόν seems unnecessary or “overloaded”. But there many variations ...
by Alan Bunning
December 6th, 2017, 12:50 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: Verb transitivity
Replies: 5
Views: 1749

Re: Verb transitivity

Are these all verbs of expression, knowledge, and perception? I think most if not all of them are, but I would have to check. The ones that I can think of off the top of my head involve seeing, knowing, persuading, asking, commanding. In general, none of the treebanks I know of get that entirely ri...
by Alan Bunning
December 6th, 2017, 12:01 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: Verb transitivity
Replies: 5
Views: 1749

Verb transitivity

I have a question about verb transitivity. Consider these examples with εἶδον/ὁράω: 1. Intransitive: οἱ δὲ Φαρισαῖοι ἰδόντες, εἶπαν αὐτῷ, ... (Matt. 12:2) 2. Transitive to direct object: Καὶ ἐξελθὼν, εἶδεν πολὺν ὄχλον, καὶ ἐσπλαγχνίσθη ἐπ’ αὐτοῖς ... (Matt. 14:14) 3. Transitive to clause: Τότε Ἡρῴδη...
by Alan Bunning
November 30th, 2017, 10:31 am
Forum: Other
Topic: Is learning accents really important?
Replies: 15
Views: 8906

Re: Is learning accents really important?

Is it *really* important to learn the rules for accents? It seems like such a huge waste of little grey cells. Isn't context enough in most cases for distinguishing εισ (one) from εισ (into) for example? Aren't there no accents in most Biblical papyrii and the uncial manuscripts? When I learned Gre...

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