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by David Lim
July 12th, 2014, 12:11 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 6:29: ἱνα without any nuance of "purposed result"?
Replies: 16
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Re: John 6:29: ἱνα without any nuance of "purposed result"?

But what do you refer to by "cases of ellipsis"? If the grammatical structure has missing elements, they would be supplied by the context. Because of this, there may be cases where substituting an "ινα" clause with an infinitive may result in a different implied meaning, since infinitives have othe...
by David Lim
July 11th, 2014, 2:43 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Acts 15:20 The extent of ἀπὸ / ἀλισγημάτων
Replies: 11
Views: 2374

Re: Acts 15:20 The extent of ἀπὸ / ἀλισγημάτων

I have always taken τῶν εἰδώλων as dependent on τῶν ἀλισγημάτων, and, because of the repetition of καί and the definite articles, the rest of the genitives as the objects of the preposition. I spot checked the ESV and the NAS and they take it similarly. Like Stephen Hughes, I'm not quite convinced ...
by David Lim
July 11th, 2014, 12:58 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 6:29: ἱνα without any nuance of "purposed result"?
Replies: 16
Views: 2978

Re: ἵνα (+ subj) allows the subject to be specified

It seems that what using ἵνα (+ subj) rather than an infinitive actually does do is to make the subject of the infinitive clear. I agree that this is a major reason, which is why I had given a link to http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/project/funk-grammar/pre-alpha/lesson-45.html saying "The translatio...
by David Lim
July 10th, 2014, 6:37 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 6:29: ἱνα without any nuance of "purposed result"?
Replies: 16
Views: 2978

Re: John 6:29: ἱνα without any nuance of "purposed result"?

I think I know why you paraphrased 17:3 as (1). (1) To obtain the eternal life, they are to know you, the only true God, and [him] whom you sent forth, Jesus. You take ἱνα γινωσκωσιν as a sort of instruction, which cannot be equated to ἡ αιωνιος ζωη, which does not have a nuance of instruction. You...
by David Lim
July 10th, 2014, 3:27 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 6:29: ἱνα without any nuance of "purposed result"?
Replies: 16
Views: 2978

Re: John 6:29: ἱνα without any nuance of "purposed result"?

But I still think that it is quite clear that unlike me, Margaret claims too broad a meaning for "ινα" in her thesis in order to make certain interpretations possible. Specifically, on purely theological grounds she claims that statements of the form "X ινα πληρωθη Y" in the NT cannot mean that "X"...
by David Lim
July 10th, 2014, 2:04 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Revelation 11: 3 - καὶ δώσω τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν μου
Replies: 20
Views: 3823

Re: The word μάρτυρες not σημεῖα is being used

A closer synonym of "μαρτυς" that could be used for non-people witnesses is "μαρτυριον" or indirectly by "εις μαρτυριον". At least in the LXX+NT I found no instances of "μαρτυς" for a non-person witness. "σημειον" would convey it as more of an observable object, while "μαρτυριον" will convey it as ...
by David Lim
July 8th, 2014, 4:41 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: What kind of conditionals are these? Joh
Replies: 6
Views: 1132

Re: What kind of conditionals are these? Joh

The validity of the apodosis necessarily depends on the validity of the protasis. If the protasis is false, then the apodosis must also be false. Hmm are you referring only to the two conditional statements that Peter brought up? If so, then I see your point, though I've a slightly different unders...
by David Lim
July 7th, 2014, 9:37 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Revelation 11: 3 - καὶ δώσω τοῖς δυσὶν μάρτυσίν μου
Replies: 20
Views: 3823

Re: The word μάρτυρες not σημεῖα is being used

Another thing, if they were not people, they would not be μάρτυρες "witnesses", "martyrs" (the difference between those two definitions being; "witness" - one who relates what they have seen, & "martyr" - one who allows others to see something for themselves), but rather "signs" (closer to the seco...
by David Lim
July 7th, 2014, 9:34 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 6:29: ἱνα without any nuance of "purposed result"?
Replies: 16
Views: 2978

Re: John 6:29: ἱνα without any nuance of "purposed result"?

[John 6:29] To do the work of God, you are to trust in [him] whom God sent forth. [John 17:3] For them to have the everlasting life, they have to know you, the only true God, and Jesus whom you have sent forth. I was trying to express the content in the simplest but clearest possible way that an En...
by David Lim
July 5th, 2014, 4:01 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 6:29: ἱνα without any nuance of "purposed result"?
Replies: 16
Views: 2978

Re: John 6:29: ἱνα without any nuance of "purposed result"?

Hello again! These two are not at all good candidates. Let me paraphrase them into idiomatic English (which necessitates a bit of interpretation): [John 6:29] To do the work of God, you are to trust in [him] whom God sent forth. [John 17:3] For them to have the everlasting life, they have to know y...

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