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by David Lim
June 25th, 2014, 3:07 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 1:9 ἐρχόμενον
Replies: 25
Views: 4510

Re: What gender is this circumstantial adverbial?

But I happened to look at that verse again today and thought of a third possibility: (3) "το φως το αληθινον" is subject of "ην" with predicate as the indefinite relative "ο φωτιζει παντα ανθρωπον", and " ερχομενον εις τον κοσμον " is a circumstantial adverbial modifying "φωτιζει"; "the true light ...
by David Lim
June 25th, 2014, 1:12 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 1:9 ἐρχόμενον
Replies: 25
Views: 4510

John 1:9 ἐρχόμενον

[John 1:9] ην το φως το αληθινον ο φωτιζει παντα ανθρωπον ερχομενον εις τον κοσμον I've always thought that there were only two possibilities: (1) "το φως το αληθινον ο ..." is the subject of the periphrastic "ην ερχομενον ..."; "the true light which illuminates every man was coming into the world" ...
by David Lim
June 24th, 2014, 3:51 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Parsing of Rom 3:19 and ἵνα clause as complement
Replies: 27
Views: 3845

Re: Parsing of Rom 3:19

(1) There are many cases in NT where ινα clause are equivalent to οτι clause after verbs of saying: No they are not equivalent at all. Mt 4:1. εἰ υἱὸς εἶ τοῦ θεοῦ εἰπὲ ἵνα οἱ λίθοι οὗτοι γένωνται. The purposed result of saying something is that "these stones might come to be bread". The text does n...
by David Lim
June 23rd, 2014, 11:08 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: γάρ again in Mk 5:42
Replies: 15
Views: 1928

Re: γαρ again in Mk 5:42

But still it seems that the notion of "strengthening" is too strong to be applied to this case. The sentence ημ γαρ ετων δωδεκα simply identifies her in a little bit more details. Is there something which I am not aware of in the jargon "strengthening"? My feeling is that the so-called "strengtheni...
by David Lim
June 23rd, 2014, 11:01 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Parsing of Rom 3:19 and ἵνα clause as complement
Replies: 27
Views: 3845

Re: Parsing of Rom 3:19

On the second parsing, I'm not sure it is justified to infer that the lack of an explicit indirect objects means that it speaks to everyone or anyone. It could just well pick up the explicit indirect object of the relative clause, and it would have thus the effect of clarifying the manner of saying...
by David Lim
June 23rd, 2014, 3:51 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Parsing of Rom 3:19 and ἵνα clause as complement
Replies: 27
Views: 3845

Re: Parsing of Rom 3:19

I would like to know whether the second one is posssible as much as the first one, gramatically speaking, or is somewhat forced. "Somewhat" is really an understatement. It's like asking whether the following is valid English: "Whatever the second text says to us speaks so that we might be puzzled."...
by David Lim
June 20th, 2014, 6:56 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 1:5: EGENETO's function
Replies: 21
Views: 2817

Re: Luke 1:5: EGENETO's function

(1) Let's talk about LXX Judges 17:1-2 and Luth 1:1, which use εγενετο which renders Hebrew וַיְהִ֗י . [Assuming that Luke mimics this style] If we talk about the LXX, we don't have to assume anything about Luke... [Ruth 1:1] και εγενετο εν τω κρινειν τους κριτας και εγενετο λιμος εν τη γη [Jdg 17:...
by David Lim
June 19th, 2014, 10:06 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 1:5: EGENETO's function
Replies: 21
Views: 2817

Re: Luke 1:5: EGENETO's function

Carl's post further pushed me and some insight ocurred to me. It seems that we have the same grammatical structure both in Lk 1:5-6 and Lk 1:8-9. In Lk 1:8-9, EGENETO introduces a circumstantial temporal clause relative to which ELACE ( ἔλαχε ) in 1:9 begins the main clause. In Lk 1:5-6, EGENETO in...
by David Lim
June 18th, 2014, 2:07 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 1:5: EGENETO's function
Replies: 21
Views: 2817

Re: Luke 1:5: EGENETO's function

[...] an implicit impersonal object [...] Sorry I don't know how I used the wrong word; it should be "impersonal subject". I should also say that English always makes subjects explicit using "it". By the way I consider "X" in "there was X" to be the subject of "was", in case it isn't clear in my pr...
by David Lim
June 18th, 2014, 1:01 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 1:5: EGENETO's function
Replies: 21
Views: 2817

Re: Luke 1:5: EGENETO's function

If the verb of ἱερεύς τις is Ἐγένετο, then the sentence in Lk 1:5 seems to have a different structure from Lk 1:8, for example. In Lk 1:8 we have Ἐγένετο + circumstantial adverbial + a full sentence. Here the verb of the full sentence is not Ἐγένετο. If the usage of Ἐγένετο fundamentally different ...

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