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by cwconrad
April 22nd, 2017, 5:55 am
Forum: Other Greek Texts
Topic: verbal adjectives formed with -τέον Eu.IA
Replies: 7
Views: 2545

Re: verbal adjectives formed with -τέον Eu.IA

See an old discussion on this from from 20 years ago. Well, well, well ... The old lore that I learned from others and that I taught. I'm reminded of a high-school Geometry teacher who declared that Euclid was still the authority in the field. His maxim about textbooks was, "The new books are not g...
by cwconrad
April 21st, 2017, 5:35 am
Forum: Other Greek Texts
Topic: verbal adjectives formed with -τέον Eu.IA
Replies: 7
Views: 2545

Re: verbal adjectives formed with -τέον Eu.IA

δραστέον δ᾿ ἅ σοι δοκεῖ . We must do as you think best . "We must" is the translator's artistic choice here. He could have rendered, "It is necessary for me to", "I should", "Our only [or best ] option is to", or anything similar. The "as" is also a literary creation of the translator, attempting t...
by cwconrad
April 21st, 2017, 4:36 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.
Replies: 21
Views: 3662

Re: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.

I really feel that I lost the concept of versification in my 51 marks, 1 mark wwasted approach to study. Now in my 50th year, I am a little less headstrong, and if you'd care to set out just this, I might be ready to lsten, if you'd like to explain, I'd be okay. This is a matter of what is called "...
by cwconrad
April 20th, 2017, 6:28 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.
Replies: 21
Views: 3662

Re: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.

About the ἐσμέν. Whether 1.) Paul used a slightly modified quotation with ἐσμέν instead of εἰμέν, 2.) this was a street-level popular (mis-)quotation, or 3.) the early redaction / transmission of Luke / Acts "standardised" the epic εἰμέν to the Koine form ἐσμέν, from the point of view of this text ...
by cwconrad
April 19th, 2017, 6:29 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.
Replies: 21
Views: 3662

Re: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.

Perhaps you haven’t yet encountered the great “Hymn to Zeus” by the Stoic Chrysippus? Do you mean Cleanthes of Assos, (successor of Zeno and predecessor of Chrysippus)? If that is the one, then here is a scan of Blakeney's edition with a commentary and notes published by the SPCK in 1931. An older ...
by cwconrad
April 19th, 2017, 10:40 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.
Replies: 21
Views: 3662

Re: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.

Now the question becomes: "Who, precisely, are we ? If you're referring to those of us who are reading these texts today, we certainly differ widely in our experience of reading different kinds of Greek from different eras of antiquity. I think it's true that many of us on B-Greek are not very fami...
by cwconrad
April 19th, 2017, 7:00 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.
Replies: 21
Views: 3662

Re: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.

Are there other places in the New Testament where it looks like an articular adjective is separated by a finite verb? The question seems oddly phrased. This text is found in the NT, but it is not describable in terms of standard NT Koine usage. The passage is cited from a poem composed in epic dial...
by cwconrad
April 19th, 2017, 5:59 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.
Replies: 21
Views: 3662

Re: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.

τὸν οὐδέποτ᾽ ἄνδρες ἐῶμεν ἄρρητον: Are there other places in the New Testament where it looks like an articular adjective is separated by a finite verb? The question seems oddly phrased. This text is found in the NT, but it is not describable in terms of standard NT Koine usage. The passage is cite...
by cwconrad
April 17th, 2017, 5:29 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.
Replies: 21
Views: 3662

Re: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.

You know, at times I find the the classical scholars’ (plural!!) reasoning hard to follow. It would appear that translation is dictating syntax analysis. Since some choose to translate προ του w/finite verb as if it were πρὸ τούτο, (a pattern found 2000+ TLG-E), we reverse the process in syntax ana...
by cwconrad
April 15th, 2017, 9:31 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.
Replies: 21
Views: 3662

Re: Acts 17:28 Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν.

Τοῦ γὰρ καὶ γένος ἐσμέν. Besides the emplyment of the fossilised ὁ μέν ... ὁ δέ ... etc structural markers, is this τοῦ in the quotation of Aratus the only NT example of ὁ employed as a relative? As the opening lines of one of the most widely read (and perhaps studied and recited), copied and trans...

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