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by Barry Hofstetter
July 12th, 2011, 10:30 am
Forum: Koine Greek Texts
Topic: What Secular Greek texts do you give NT Greek students?
Replies: 22
Views: 9179

Re: What Secular Greek texts do you give NT Greek students?

In addition to Epictetus and Aurelius, I would include Lucian of Samasota (for the fun factor, if nothing else), Josephus, Aesop, and Plutarch. Yes, they all tend to have Atticizing tendencies, but a surprising amount of "Koine" slips in when they aren't being careful. What about Philo and the early...
by Barry Hofstetter
July 12th, 2011, 7:57 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Mark 1:27
Replies: 14
Views: 2097

Re: Mark 1:27

That's why sequence of tenses is important in indirect statement, but aspect important in result clauses. Hmm.. Do you have examples of sequences of tense in an indirect statement where the distinction in tense is important?[ Simply do a concordance search on ὄτι and look for examples of indirect s...
by Barry Hofstetter
July 11th, 2011, 3:15 pm
Forum: Koine Greek Texts
Topic: Religious literature
Replies: 1
Views: 1063

Re: Religious literature

I think you the closest you would come to something which would be considered fiction would be Lucian of Samasota, in various writings. In The True Histories he has a section making fun of life in the underworld. In his several Dialogues he has various humorous interactions of the gods with each oth...
by Barry Hofstetter
July 11th, 2011, 2:13 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Mark 1:27
Replies: 14
Views: 2097

Re: Mark 1:27

I called them "indirect statements" because I cannot see any difference between their structure and that of indirect discourse. Is there any? In Matt 8:24, I would find it odd if the author meant to convey an imperfective sense of "the waves were covering the boat". Mark 4:37 has a parallel passage...
by Barry Hofstetter
July 11th, 2011, 8:09 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: 1 Cor. 11:12 and Col. 1:16
Replies: 5
Views: 790

Re: 1 Cor. 11:12 and Col. 1:16

Thank you. I'm a novice here, I'm not familiar with unicode, and some of my questions will probably appear stupid. I apologize for that--but in a passage like Col. 1:16, is there any way to tell whether what follows τὰ πάντα is a subset of "all things,"" or a definition of the kinds of things in vi...
by Barry Hofstetter
July 11th, 2011, 12:28 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Mark 1:27
Replies: 14
Views: 2097

Re: Mark 1:27

Aren't "συζητειν προς εαυτους λεγοντας ..." and "ελθειν τα πετεινα του ουρανου ..." indirect statements, not only consequent to that which is before "ωστε"? I have always considered infinitives in indirect statements to be like aorists, thus I did not see any difference in aspect. For example, Matt...
by Barry Hofstetter
July 10th, 2011, 8:59 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Mark 1:27
Replies: 14
Views: 2097

Re: Mark 1:27

Mark 1:27 καὶ ἐθαμβήθησαν ἅπαντες ὥστε συζητεῖν πρὸς ἑαυτοὺς λέγοντας· τί ἐστιν τοῦτο; διδαχὴ καινὴ κατ᾽ ἐξουσίαν· καὶ τοῖς πνεύμασι τοῖς ἀκαθάρτοις ἐπιτάσσει, καὶ ὑπακούουσιν αὐτῷ. My question is about συζητεῖν. Is it permitted to label this an ingressive present? Wallace doesn't have this categor...
by Barry Hofstetter
July 10th, 2011, 12:28 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Mark 1:27
Replies: 14
Views: 2097

Re: Mark 1:27

Mark 1:27 καὶ ἐθαμβήθησαν ἅπαντες ὥστε συζητεῖν πρὸς ἑαυτοὺς λέγοντας· τί ἐστιν τοῦτο; διδαχὴ καινὴ κατ᾽ ἐξουσίαν· καὶ τοῖς πνεύμασι τοῖς ἀκαθάρτοις ἐπιτάσσει, καὶ ὑπακούουσιν αὐτῷ. My question is about συζητεῖν. Is it permitted to label this an ingressive present? Wallace doesn't have this categor...
by Barry Hofstetter
July 9th, 2011, 11:29 am
Forum: Learning Paradigms
Topic: Primary and Secondary Personal Endings
Replies: 6
Views: 2341

Re: Primary and Secondary Personal Endings

IF knowing the paradigms enables a student to discern immediately what sense a given verb form (let's say, ἀπεκρίθην) indicates, then it works. But (a) I've had students who could parse ἀπεκρίθην as 1 sg. indic. aor. pass. and still had no idea what the form means , and (b) I've had students who co...
by Barry Hofstetter
July 9th, 2011, 8:43 am
Forum: Learning Paradigms
Topic: Primary and Secondary Personal Endings
Replies: 6
Views: 2341

Re: Primary and Secondary Personal Endings

But, alas, I’m told that it too is not helpful, not useful to anyone who has not already mastered the whole gamut of extant verb forms. I don’t believe memorization of paradigms is much help in learning to read Greek -- I’ve seen too many students who could recite the paradigms but couldn’t read Gr...