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by Stephen Carlson
May 20th, 2020, 6:32 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
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Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

The woman, she is man's glory. Shouldn't that be ἡ γυνὴ δὲ ἀνδρός ἐστιν δόξα instead? This is where I'm unsure about the ways ἐστιν might diverge from the usage of the pronouns. Because on the one hand, yes, that's what we'd expect. A clitic pronoun would not come after δόξα. But on the other hand,...
by Stephen Carlson
May 20th, 2020, 6:20 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 1085

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

This is guild-speak. The average NT student with seminary level Greek will not get it. Can you translate? What difference does this make in our understanding of the text, our exegesis of the text, and how we might explain it to a congregation or or Bible study? I'm sensing some hostility here and I...
by Stephen Carlson
May 20th, 2020, 8:39 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 1085

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

Good point. What else do you see the text conveying here depending on which one is the predicate? Well, the topic structure of the discourse for one. (See Wallace's implied questions.) There is also an interesting textual variant over whether Χριστός has the article, and it would be nice to know wh...
by Stephen Carlson
May 20th, 2020, 12:34 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 1085

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

I've always read it the prior way, but like you now lean toward the latter. However, with interchangeable statements it doesn't make a huge degree of difference, does it? At the propositional level, sure, but propositional meaning is not the only thing that a text conveys. Good point. What else do ...
by Stephen Carlson
May 20th, 2020, 12:30 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 1085

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

If ἐστιν clitics behave the way pronominal ones do, then [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν is the natural predicate/assertion. I should add that 1 Cor 11:7b ἡ γυνὴ δὲ δόξα ἀνδρός ἐστιν puzzles me on this hypothesis. The woman, she is man's glory. ??? Shouldn't that be ἡ γυνὴ δὲ ἀνδρός ἐστιν δόξα instead?
by Stephen Carlson
May 20th, 2020, 12:24 am
Forum: Other
Topic: Might the Romans have spoken Greek with an "Italian accent"?
Replies: 8
Views: 5926

Re: Might the Romans have spoken Greek with an "Italian accent"?

Jonathan Robie wrote:
May 19th, 2020, 8:27 pm
Stephen Carlson wrote:
May 19th, 2020, 6:03 pm
Yeah but the American accent of Koine Greek, now that is positively barbaric!
You prefer the Australian accent of Koine Greek?
Actually yes: they get the omicron right. It’s still barbaric though.
by Stephen Carlson
May 19th, 2020, 7:05 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 1085

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

Barry Hofstetter wrote:
May 19th, 2020, 8:30 am
I've always read it the prior way, but like you now lean toward the latter. However, with interchangeable statements it doesn't make a huge degree of difference, does it?
At the propositional level, sure, but propositional meaning is not the only thing that a text conveys.
by Stephen Carlson
May 19th, 2020, 7:04 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 1085

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

MAubrey wrote:
May 19th, 2020, 3:08 pm
If ἐστιν clitics behave the way pronominal ones do, then [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν is the natural predicate/assertion.
I should add that 1 Cor 11:7b ἡ γυνὴ δὲ δόξα ἀνδρός ἐστιν puzzles me on this hypothesis.
by Stephen Carlson
May 19th, 2020, 6:03 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Might the Romans have spoken Greek with an "Italian accent"?
Replies: 8
Views: 5926

Re: Might the Romans have spoken Greek with an "Italian accent"?

Barry Hofstetter wrote:
April 5th, 2019, 1:41 pm
It's practically impossible for adult learners of a second language not to have an "accent." it's also a sure bet that there were regional differences in pronunciation.
Yeah but the American accent of Koine Greek, now that is positively barbaric!
by Stephen Carlson
May 19th, 2020, 5:59 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν
Replies: 33
Views: 1085

Re: Subject and Predicate in 1 Cor 11:3 παντὸς ἀνδρὸς ἡ κεφαλὴ [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν

MAubrey wrote:
May 19th, 2020, 3:08 pm
If ἐστιν clitics behave the way pronominal ones do, then [ὁ] Χριστός ἐστιν is the natural predicate/assertion.
Good call. I believe they do, but it would be worthwhile double-checking to see if A B ἐστιν means that B is in the predicate/assertion.

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