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by RandallButh
August 17th, 2019, 10:41 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Why not start with modern Greek?
Replies: 93
Views: 69689

Re: Why not start with modern Greek?

Randall, I have looked into IBLT at the commendation of Scott McQuinn. I am very impressed by it, Θεός μαζί σας! Then you will know why the school/center needs to be in Israel rather than Athens. To become fluent in Hebrew, all dialects and periods, there is no more efficient place than Israel. How...
by RandallButh
August 17th, 2019, 6:45 am
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 46690

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

D-- your question shows scholars getting entrapped/mixed up in the domain of their metaphors. For Peter Gentry, he was saying that the roots of the morphological ε- augment came from an adverbial marker that was associated with 'farther away, over there'. So far, so good. However, when applied to ve...
by RandallButh
August 16th, 2019, 2:43 pm
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Why not start with modern Greek?
Replies: 93
Views: 69689

Re: Why not start with modern Greek?

As one predominantly interested in Biblical Studies, I share your conviction about Hebrew. Then you will know why the school/center needs to be in Israel rather than Athens. To become fluent in Hebrew, all dialects and periods, there is no more efficient place than Israel. However, to become fluent...
by RandallButh
August 14th, 2019, 5:47 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 46690

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Almost all scholars do NOT think that the Greek verb was originally spatial. The sentence that was quoted: "Most scholars would agree that the verbal system of Greek was originally spatial" is linguistic gobbledygook. More to the point---what in the world does a "spatial verb" mean? Verbs relate to ...
by RandallButh
August 14th, 2019, 10:10 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Why not start with modern Greek?
Replies: 93
Views: 69689

Re: Why not start with modern Greek?

I would give up French, maybe German, too, for Greek studies, if the students had fluency in English, Hebrew and modern and ancient Greek. In the US, graduate schools only require "reading French and German" anyway, which is minimally helpful but not usually equivalent to what Europeans are required...
by RandallButh
August 13th, 2019, 6:50 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Why not start with modern Greek?
Replies: 93
Views: 69689

Re: Why not start with modern Greek?

I was going to give a point by point response, but simply will summarize here that I don't believe engagement with modern Greek prior to learning ancient will improve efficiency. I'm not nearly convinced that ancient Greek and modern are close enough for that purpose (and I know more than one nativ...
by RandallButh
August 8th, 2019, 11:07 am
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 46690

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Zero stream? The one or two classicists I know that are aware of the discussion are actively hostile to the proposition, and I'm in total agreement with them. My first thought when exposed to the theory (actually from discussions on B-Greek) was "They've got to be kidding! Have they actually read a...
by RandallButh
August 6th, 2019, 5:11 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 46690

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

I'm not in the Porter school, but I really do like and respect Yes, I really like the people, and respect for their publications and dedication. (Sorry if quips on theory may distract from this.) And I am still waiting to hear a Constantine recital on the sax! BUT the theory has a negative effect o...
by RandallButh
August 6th, 2019, 3:46 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 46690

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

But I understand the reasons. For clarity I can specify the reasons for warning about 'aspect-only' theories: 1. Students sometimes think that they must get a graduate degree in linguistics in order to properly learn Greek, because they don't quite understand the disagreements that they encounter o...
by RandallButh
August 6th, 2019, 1:07 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 46690

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Late to this thread. "Believe that you received them ..." To be simple and blunt, there is a good reason why you should not expect Porter's theory to influence Bible translations: The aspect-only theory is not-Greek and most translation committees try to be responsible. Classicists do not give the t...

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