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by RandallButh
August 6th, 2011, 12:02 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 12391

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

I don't have a problem with occasional examples of Hta with Iota. But I was talking about IOTA and E-PSILON. IOTA and Epsilon were never confused in Greek phonology, yet that is what Socrates was talking about. Thus, it appears that Socrates was talking about different dialectical forms of a word, n...
by RandallButh
August 5th, 2011, 10:42 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 12391

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Thus, the equalization of ει, η, ι in classical Greek, regardless of numbers (or degree of consistency), is an established fact a linguist cannot ignore sorry, but it is not a fact that H was pronounced as I. the fact is that the ancients had two words IMERA and EMERA that meant the same thing. the...
by RandallButh
August 4th, 2011, 9:55 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 12391

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Οἷον οἱ μὲν ἀρχαιότατοι “ἱμέραν” τὴν ἡμέραν ἐκάλουν, οἱ δὲ “ἑμέραν,” οἱ δὲ νῦν “ἡμέραν.” It looks to me like we are talking about different dialects of a word, and no one suggests that e-psilon was iota “ἑμέραν,” It is common in languages for two different phonemic words to develop across dialects....
by RandallButh
August 3rd, 2011, 1:04 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 12391

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Since so much weight is being put on this statement of Plato, can you provide it in a paragraph of context?
There are many ways of interpreting what you are talking about without assuming that everyone in Athens and Greek was already equating H=EI=I.
by RandallButh
August 3rd, 2011, 10:23 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 12391

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Your text confirms that EI and I were pronounced the same, as was AI and E. For the pronounciation of other symbols and sounds you will need to look wider. For example, OI and Y were pronounced the same, and also Ω and O. Caragounis' book demonstrates some of these with his notes on Papyrus 66 to Jo...
by RandallButh
August 2nd, 2011, 9:11 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 12391

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Randall, looking at your comment above, let me comment: If Η in the mid-5th c. BC was pronounced the same as Ε(ε), then there would have been no need for the use of Η in place of the already existing letter Ε for the ε sound. At that point in time Η(=ι) was still in the process of being officially ...
by RandallButh
August 2nd, 2011, 1:08 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 12391

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

XAIRE PHILHMON I am travelling for a month without access to Caragounis' work. In one or two footnotes, somewhere, he refers to Hta and says something to the effect that 'these changes will show up more in later centuries and that this was the beginning of the process that spanned several centuries'...
by RandallButh
August 2nd, 2011, 12:58 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 12391

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Mike, citing general conclusions or snipets of evidence on a list for a general position is hardly plagarism. the bigger problem is that Chris' book does not show a reliable linguistic handling of the data. the book is very worthwhile and I have a copy and would recommend people to read it. On the o...
by RandallButh
August 1st, 2011, 5:27 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically
Replies: 59
Views: 12391

Re: Reading and Pronouncing Biblical Greek Authentically

Attic Greek often used E for H and E. This would suggest that H was not /i/ at that time. Do we have OMEROS spelled as such? I haven't checked for this, it just seems like it would occur. Or SEMERON TEMERON. All of these would support the common wisdom that E was used for both a short-time and long...
by RandallButh
July 31st, 2011, 10:05 pm
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Machen Erasmian: kinds of Erasmian and kinds of Restored
Replies: 6
Views: 2941

Re: Machen Erasmian: kinds of Erasmian and kinds of Restored

Briefly, 1. "oo" shouldn't be υ because ου is already "oo" [assuming you intended "oo" as 'boot' 'heavy shoe'] the solution is simply for students to hear alot of the sounds. the second solution is for the students to do what the Greeks themselves did in the later first millemium: use ι. 2. But the ...