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by RandallButh
February 28th, 2022, 1:46 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Luke 4:30 -- ἐπορεύετο
Replies: 9
Views: 7137

Re: Luke 4:30 -- ἐπορεύετο

Luke 4:30: " αὐτὸς δὲ διελθὼν διὰ μέσου αὐτῶν ἐπορεύετο." "but he passed through their midst and went on his way. " NASB, 2020 I know that an imperfect means something not finished yet or continuing or repeating. I was wondering if ἐπορεύετο is a continual "continued on his...
by RandallButh
January 10th, 2022, 11:50 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive
Replies: 27
Views: 10834

Re: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive

It's because I filter this discussion two ways,
Greek development: classical vs Hellenistic including secular vs. Jewish
and
Greek vs. Hebrew,

which was the start of the thread.
by RandallButh
January 10th, 2022, 11:22 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive
Replies: 27
Views: 10834

Re: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive

Τοιοῦτο πολλῶν ἐστιν ἦθος ἀνθρώπων... "Such is the custom of many men..."
It's a genitive, but it is not a noun that serves in place of a simple adjective.
Τhat could have been ἦθος ἀνθρώπων = ἀνθρώπινον ἦθος,
but not really *πολι-ἀνθρώπινον ἦθος
by RandallButh
January 8th, 2022, 8:12 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive
Replies: 27
Views: 10834

Re: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive

Jason Hare wrote: January 8th, 2022, 8:05 pm
RandallButh wrote: January 8th, 2022, 8:02 pm qal vaHomer with Hebrew. Few NT scholars, old or new, are adequately trained in Hebrew.
Indeed, few OT scholars are adequately trained in speak ing in Hebrew. I wish Hebrew would make its way to the conversational level for OT scholars.

ἀκριβῶς
by RandallButh
January 8th, 2022, 8:02 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive
Replies: 27
Views: 10834

Re: Hebraic/Hebrew Genitive

I always take these now with a grain of salt.
qal vaHomer with Hebrew. Few NT scholars, old or new, are adequately trained in Hebrew. [I define "adequate" as able to comfortably read an article on Qumran or Mishnaic Hebrew in Hebrew.]
by RandallButh
December 31st, 2021, 3:25 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 2:48 - Byzantine word order
Replies: 10
Views: 1743

Re: Luke 2:48 - Byzantine word order

Actually, both questions are needed. The first type focuses on the most salient part of a sentence. If, in addition, that most salient part has some kind of special marking in a language it would be called a Focal structure in FG. [NB: not all sentences will have a marked focus structure although al...
by RandallButh
December 31st, 2021, 11:00 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 2:48 - Byzantine word order
Replies: 10
Views: 1743

Re: Luke 2:48 - Byzantine word order

I generally ask questions about the text to discover these things.

πρὸς τίνα εἶπεν τὴν παραβολὴν;
πρὸς αὐτοὺς τὴν παραβολὴν εἶπεν.
Your question is good but stops short:

Διὰ τί ἐγράφη τὸ πρὸς αυτοὺς τὴν παραβολὴν εἶπεν
αντὶ τοῦ πρὸς αυτοὺς εἶπεν τὴν παραβολὴν;
by RandallButh
December 31st, 2021, 1:55 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 2:48 - Byzantine word order
Replies: 10
Views: 1743

Re: Luke 2:48 - Byzantine word order

Jonathan, I'm not sure what you are saying. They got angry because they knew that although the story dealt with them it was only a parable and they were not called out to their face? your question may have illustrated how the label "topic" can mislead people. The "topic" is infor...
by RandallButh
December 27th, 2021, 9:59 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 2:48 - Byzantine word order
Replies: 10
Views: 1743

Re: Luke 2:48 - Byzantine word order

. . . Luke 2:48 Antoniades 1904 καὶ ἰδόντες αὐτὸν ἐξεπλάγησαν, καὶ πρὸς αὐτὸν ἡ μήτηρ αὐτοῦ εἶπε· τέκνον, τί ἐποίησας ἡμῖν οὕτως; . . . After all, she's looking at him when she speaks, why emphasize the fact that it's him that she is speaking to? In other passages where πρὸς αὐτὸν or πρὸς αὐτοὺς oc...
by RandallButh
December 25th, 2021, 3:37 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Aorist verbs in the Magnificat
Replies: 17
Views: 2386

Re: Aorist verbs in the Magnificat

PS: making sure that we are all sufficiently flexible in our discussions: The Luke-Gospel was written in Greek (we don't have proof, that there were Hebrew copies) Yes, Luke was written in Greek and he had access to sources, all, or at least most, in Greek. Period. No one here or pretty much anywher...

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